Apparently It's True (Levada to be head of CDF?)

Bettnet.com ^ | 5/10/05 | Domenico Bettinelli

[sinkspur]

No but a adult woman alter server. Still not allowed to incense afaik.

In the absence of a deacon, at the conclusion of incensing the altar at the beginning of Mass, and at the conclusion of incensing the altar after the offering of the gifts, the server incenses the celebrant. In the second instance, the server also incenses the congregation.

[Lady In Blue]

I agree with you. It doesn't past the smell test.

[sinkspur]

"This is someone the Pope thinks he can work closely with."

For heaven's sake, people! Give BXVI some credit in being able to discern who he can trust.

[sageb1]

Let's wait and see how this pans out. It could have actually been a brilliant move on Pope Benedict's part. He may wish to keep the archbishop close for re-education purposes and he may have something in mind for the U.S., which needs reigning in.

[livius]

What an odd thing for the "source in the Vatican" to say, don't you think?

We do have to remember that some of these "sources" had Cardinal Mahony being elected Pope, so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. I can't imagine that Levada would be the head of anything as important as the CDF, but I can imagine that he will be removed from SF - however, in such a way that he will not be humiliated. He's been awful, but he's been quietly awful; as a result, he will probably be given a Vatican position that simply gets him off the stage.

Fr. Fessio knows the Pope very well, and Fr. Fessio is from SF - in fact, he suffered at the hands of the very heterodox Jesuits at USF who now appear to be big buddies with Levada - so maybe somebody has already "gotten to the Pope," as Time puts it.

[Dominick]

adult woman alter server

I've never seen or heard of such a thing before.

At daily Mass, we have adult altar servers of either sex, if they are trained there is no problem.

In all seriousness, I understand the laity can and should incense a priest when no deacon is available, if incense is being used. Most of the time on those special occasions, there are other priests waiting in the sacristy to help with Communion.

You can't tell me with a straight face that he didn't pick a woman because she was a woman, and he wanted people to see a woman performing a clerical role. I didn't look at the rule, but it seems that you pick people for this role as follows, first a ordained Catholic minister, then laity. It males sense you would choose a male for this first over a woman, because the lay person is simulating a clerical duty.

This was to promote priestesses. It makes a lot more sense in that light.

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Folks, please see Lee Penn's posts number 35 and 36 regarding Abp. Levada! Lee has studied the United Religion Initiative in more depth than any Catholic. Anybody who has read New Oxford Review should recognize Lee's name.

[ArrogantBustard]

Ugh...

[ninenot]

FWIW, Levada was known as a solid man, which is why he got SanFran.

It's possible that the SanFran situation is not "fixable"--but then again, even if it's not, why would Levada issue some of the silly stuff he wrote?

[ninenot]

Another possibility: this is a Walter Kasper move.

Elevate the trouble to a position directly under your thumb, and then ignore everything they say and do.

In the meantime, move the Oakland Bishop into SanFran.

[Dominick]

Even if he got a CDF promotion, that is different than the position of CDF leadership. We have to remember, a promotion to the See does not mean an increase in responsibility.

The Church doesn't toss Bishops out of the Church, most of the time, they get "promotions" to "important" fact finding missions, and titular posts where they can do no harm.

Moving Levada out of SF, and away from where he can lend tacit approval to abominations like the URI, would be a good move for the new Pope. A new Archbishop probably isn't going to come in like Rambo, but, he will restructure things, and changes in the US will be evident.

[ninenot]

Insightful remark.

No reason that either the extreme Left OR extreme Right hasn't put this 'rumor' into play.

[ninenot]

What an odd thing for the "source in the Vatican" to say, don't you think?

Another Jesuit-order termite...

[St. Johann Tetzel]

We have to remember, a promotion to the See does not mean an increase in responsibility.

The Church doesn't toss Bishops out of the Church, most of the time, they get "promotions" to "important" fact finding missions, and titular posts where they can do no harm.

I floated this idea last night with Lee: Could this be a case of "Promoveatur ut removeatur"?, i.e., "to promote in order to remove"?

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Elevate the trouble to a position directly under your thumb, and then ignore everything they say and do.

That is a good definition for "Promoveatur ut removeatur."

[wagglebee]

The idea of a promotion to obscurity had crossed my mind as well. However, it seems odd that the Holy Father would do that with a position that he himself held less than a month ago.

[livius]

Is the Oakland bishop good?

[Rutles4Ever]

That's the first thought that crossed my mind. I'm sure Pope Benedict is more than aware of the moral cesspool in San Francisco, and perhaps this is a way of moving out Levada and getting a tougher bishop in SF.

Have faith, people. The Church will NEVER teach error, and it appears that Pope Benedict has made it clear that he will not necessarily be a missionary pope, but an activist from Rome. I don't think Levada will be more than a rubber stamp for the Pope, who knows his way around the CDF, himself.

[ninenot]

Sterling.

Was in Detroit as Auxiliary and had the Sem. A good friend taught at the Sem and was VERY impressed with the Bishop's orthodoxy, zeal, and knowledge of the Church.

Sem enrollments went up, and most of the termites were dismissed from faculty/staff positions.

[Rutles4Ever]

Pope Benedict is the equivalent of George Steinbrenner, Levada will be the equivalent of Brian Cashman, GM of the Yankees. The dealmaker is Steinbrenner. Cashman follows orders. Benedict knows his way around CDF, and Levada will be loathe to cross any boundaries already set up by then-Cardinal Ratzinger.