Rick Warren Teams Up With New Age Guru Ken Blanchard!

http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/PressReleasekenblanchard.htm ^ | Aril19,2005 | Lighthouse Trails Research

[pro610]

Rick warren is gearing up to train a billion people,unbeknownst to many he has also been teamed up with New Age and contemplative promoter,Ken Blanchard,for some time now. According to a new biography on Rick Warren,A Life With A Purpose wrtten by George Mair,Rick Warren has solicited the services of Ken Blanchard to aid him to train leaders:"Rick taps the best and the most famous to help train church leaders to be like Jesus. he has hired Ken Blanchard...to come to saddleback to help train people how to be effective leaders."p.193

In light of knowing who Ken Blanchard is,this is shocking and devatating news for the Church!

There is countless evidence to show that Ken Blanchard sits on the New age/mystical/contemplative bandwagon.Blanchard believes in the benefits and use of mantra meditation,yoga and has no trouble borrowing from Buddism... http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/Pressreleasekenblanchard.htm

[pro610]

One more thing you should know.
The Holy Spirit has lead me into exposing New Age spirituality.
I pray about what I,m doing always.

Go ahead and persecute me all you want but I,m sincere in what I,m telling you

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

On one of the recent Catholic Threads you came out admitting that you are a Catholic. You stated The point is that all denominations of Christianity have their problems because "Man"tends to try to Psychoanalyze the work of the Holy Spirit. I don,t consider myself anymore Christian then anyone else just because I,m Catholic"

Considering the fact that you have essentially set yourself up as the premier defender of the Evangelical Movement in your rabid criticism of Rick Warren, I must conclude that your motives may be different than that which you convey.

The fact of the matter is that Rick Warren's book has probably had a tremendous effect on uncommitted Catholics and I suspect that many Catholics who have been dissatisified with the liberalism and ritualism of Modern Catholicism may find comfort and meaning in a "Purpose Driven Life" that they have not gotten at the local parishes. Thus I suspect that the reason that you are so concerned about the influence of Rick Warren and his books is not because you are so concerned about protecting the integrity of the Evangelical Movement, but it is rooted in a concern that the effectiveness of the Evangelical Movement may result in many Catholics finding meaning and purpose in Evangelical and other Protestant Churches.

I am pinging a lot of people to this post because I think it is important for all your fellow Rick Warren bashing colleages and all the Rick Wrren defenders to know that there may be posters in their midst who may have ulterior motives for denigrating what actually may be an effective movement of God.

And next time someone asks you what denomination you are, don't pussyfoot around. Your claim that you were "raised a Catholic" implies that you either never joined or you stopped considering yourself a member. Thus your answer belies your post where you admit that you ARE presently a Catholic and thus your loyalty is to the Catholic Church and not the Evangelical movement.

Next time just tell everyone that you are a Catholic. Don't try to be so coy.

Irrelevant.

pro610 has cited Protestant sources in his opposition to the PDC/PDL. His criticisms with the citations are no less valid than that of any Protestant.

By the argumentation that P-Marlowe has presented here, the Protestant sympathy and concern for the rash of child abuse accusations concerning Priests in the Catholic Church would be illegitimate because we're not Catholics.

Of course it is always easier to questions the motives of the messenger, rather than deal with the content of the argument. C.S. Lewis addressed this very issue in his essay Bulverism: The Foundation of 20^th Century Thought. It is no less true in the 21^st Century than it was when Lewis penned it.

[gamarob1]

Thanks for ping-ing me on this, P-Mar. I'm learning much about the people here who seem to posture themselves as the so-called experts and official denouncers of all who don't agree with them and the RCC. In reality, they're just dime-store bashers wearing fancy clothes....

[xzins]

After my being Born Again in Christ Jesus I started to examine the Catholic Church and I found it to be a beacon of strong conservative Christian values and doctrines.

You said earlier that you'd started out a Catholic, and now you say the above.

It sounds to me like you're still Catholic.

What diocese are you a part of?

[pro610]

Albany NY

I have a Yankee game to watch if it,s not rained out.
The Red Sox lost HAHA.
I,m checking ouu

[xzins]

pro610 has cited Protestant sources in his opposition to the PDC/PDL. His criticisms with the citations are no less valid than that of any Protestant.

I post on some catholic threads every now and then. I'm generally careful to let the folks know that I post as an outsider and not an insider. Otherwise, my motives can legitimately be questioned.

For example, it is pretty hard to accept the hermeneutics that lead to mariology's doctrine of immaculate conception but have trouble with any theology that builds from extra-biblical reason and writers, wouldn't you say?

[HarleyD]

I think pro610 has some legitimate concerns. What his motives are is irrelevant as CDL stated.

I’m not sure if I would criticize Pastor Warren for I don't know the person that well. However I think the issue falls on the broader division between a "Seeker Friendly" church and, what I would classify as a "Believers Friendly" church (for lack of a better term). The Seeker Friendly church, as the definition currently exists, is one that seeks to draw unbelievers into the congregations in order to share and evangelize. The Believer Friendly church is one that seeks to education and prepares believers for going forth to evangelize all the while worshiping God.

The New Testament churches, established by the apostles, were never designed as Seeker Friendly. Instead they were Believer Friendly churches. Paul talks in 1 Cor 14 about unbelievers being in the mist of the congregation but speaks of this as if it might be a rarity.

1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;

Scripture seems to indicate that church service was only meant for the believers. Something that was set up and approved by the apostles. In trying to change the church to be Seeker Friendly these pastors are in essences rejecting the very foundation of church services established by the apostles. Another problem is that true worship is no longer the focus in a Seeker Friendly church. It’s evangelism. There is no worshiping of God per se because that is not really the intent by definition. Consequently the services are designed to appeal to the audience, not to God.

These two items alone has to make me conclude that not only are Seeker Friendly churches unbiblical but they reject the foundation established by the apostles themselves. Personally I think that in itself should give one pause to consider if Seeker Friendly churches are biblical.

[xzins]

I do not wish to enter into a debate with you or Catholicism, but do you accept the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary?

[xzins]

What his motives are is irrelevant as CDL stated.

CDL is wrong; Of course his motives are relevant. If his motive were to attack a protestant church because he is covertly anti-protestant would be very relevant.

But, the larger issue is that pro610 cannot legitimately protest methods and doctrines of others and simultaneously accept less than stellar methods and doctrines in his own church. As a methodist, I can protest homosexual ordination in other denominations if I protest it in my own.

I cannot protest it in others if I ACCEPT it in my own.

That is contradictory and illogical. I've lived with this and fought it in my own denomination for years, so don't tell me I'm wrong.

[ladyinred]

I figured this out while reading his book.

[ladyinred]

There should not be that kind of mystical strain in Christianity in my opinion.

[P-Marlowe]

The Holy Spirit has lead me into exposing New Age spirituality.

Yeah, Right. As long as the battle ground is the Protestant Churches which you are not in fellowship with. I haven't seen you climbing all over the Pope for the New Age Spiritualism that has infected YOUR church.

Here's an interesting page from the same web site where you got the Rick-Warren-Bashing-New-Age-Accusing Article:

CATHOLICISM AND
CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY

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"Pope John Paul has urged people to take to prayer, especially a contemplative type of prayer ..." [Catholic News Service 2002]

"Pick out a word or two. Tell your children to sit quietly and repeat the word in their heads—not thinking about the word,
just repeating it."
From Everyday Catholic 2001

According to now deceased Benedictine monk, John Main we should: Find a quiet place ... Sit with the back in an upright position ... Breathe regularly and become aware of the movement of the breath in and out of the body. Gently repeat your mantra or prayer-word silently and within.

Some Catholic priests have written books that mix Catholicism with ancient pagan religions or modern New Age paganism. —Mary Ann Collins, Mixing Paganism with Christianity

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Maybe you should go clean up your own house before you come here and tell the Protestants how to conduct their chuches and church services.

[lupie]

Believe it or not, there are born again believers in the Catholic church. sigh....

[xzins]

Of course there are. No one said otherwise.

Some of us are taking pro610 to task for hitting on protestant churches while not revealing that he isn't one of us. And for complaining about methods in protestant church that have parallels in catholicism about which he has not complained.

So, now that you have the background, you can shoot a bit more accurately.

[pro610]

I,m on record saying that I,m in support of any Church where the Holy Spirit is present.
That includes the Methodists,Catholics,non denominational,Lutheran,s etc...
You have been in my prayer,s P-Marlowe
You are on very dangerous ground by accusing someone in the Holy Spirit of being a liar.
Winning your argument is all that matters to you P-Marlowe
You are the classic example of mystical cult following.

Mark 9:33-37
They returned to Capernaum and Jesus once inside began to ask them,"What were you discussing on the way home?"
At this they fell silent,for on the way they had been arguing about who was important.
So he sat down and called the twelve around him and said,
"If anyone wishes to rank first ,he must remain the last one of all and the servant of all"
Then he took a little child, stood him in their midst, and putting his arms around him,said to them,
"Whoever welcomes a child such as this for my sake welcomes me.And whoever welcomes me,welcomes,not me, but who sent me."

[JohnRoss]

If he wanted to borrow any form of mysticism, he should have considered that of the Eastern Church.

[P-Marlowe]

I,m on record saying that I,m in support of any Church where the Holy Spirit is present.

The Holy Spirit is present at Saddleback Church.

You are on very dangerous ground by accusing someone in the Holy Spirit of being a liar.

I did not call you a liar. I said you were coy. You have mislead many people by pretending to care what happens at Protestant Churches when in fact you were a closet Catholic all along.

You are the classic example of mystical cult following.

I dare say that your accusation against me is worse than my calling you coy. But I am not surprised. You have said many really nasty things against Rick Warren and against the members of his Church. You have been posting anti-Warren propoganda ever since you signed up for Free Republic and literally pushing the envelope with your incessant accustions that he is some sort of New Age monster.

Well, the cat is out of the bag. Now that we know where you are coming from we can judge YOUR credibility accordingly.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

CDL is wrong; Of course his motives are relevant. If his motive were to attack a protestant church because he is covertly anti-protestant would be very relevant.

CDL is NOT wrong. This is real simple.

• pro610 has presented a proposition concerning Rick Warren and/or the PDC/PDL.
• He has used evidence from Protestant Sources to present that proposition.
• He has not made any discernable comments concerning Catholic Dogma where it would disagree with Protestant Dogma...remember, we do share five creeds in common with Roman Catholicism...those of us who are Creedal. Certainly he has not done so on this particular thread.
• Whatever pro610's motives, those who would oppose his propositions are obligated to FIRST answer his arguments.
• If and ONLY if pro610's evidenced assertion is disproven on the basis of the EVIDENCE, then it is legitimate to quesion motives in search of the answer to the question of HOW pro610 could have been in error.

Q.E.D., Until pro610's assertion is determined to be either true or false, motive is irrelevant.

In the abstract, there are four distinct possibilities:

1. pro610's assertion is true, and he has an alterior motive.
2. pro610's assertion is true and he does not have an alterior motive.
3. pro610's assertion is false, and he does not have an alterior motive.
4. pro610's assertion is false and he does have an alterior motive.

Existence or non-existence of an alterior motive is not in itself a causual factor in whether the assertion is true or false. In other words, it does not answer the question IF. It may answer the question of HOW, but one must first prove the assertion to be false.

But, the larger issue is that pro610 cannot legitimately protest methods and doctrines of others and simultaneously accept less than stellar methods and doctrines in his own church. As a methodist, I can protest homosexual ordination in other denominations if I protest it in my own.

This does not follow. First, no one here knows to what extent pro610 holds to the truth of all Roman Catholic Dogma. He has been silent on that issue. Claiming that he affirms the Baltimore Catechism in it's entirety is at best, speculative, and an argument from inference that is proven false by the existence in schisms in both Catholicism and Protestantism, even within particular congregations. For example, Corin Stormhands has often told of his time of membership in a PCA congregation, yet he did not adhere to Calvinism, nor i believe (Corin, you may make adjustments to this statement as you feel the need)it's paedobaptism doctrine.

This is not a disagreement over Church Government forms, the PDC/PDL is practised in all forms of church Govermnent. It is not an issue of anthropology, the PDC/PDL has been introduced into both Calvinist and Arminian congregations. It is not an issue of the nature of the sacriments, the PDC/PDL has been introduced in congregations who believe Consubstantiation, Spiritual Presence, and Memorial meal with respect to the Communion...to the best of my knowledge, the Transubstantiation of Catholicism is not represented. i know of no Roman Catholic Congregation that is presently using the PDC/PDL. If there is such a congregation, i will accept correction on this point.

The basic issue is, as it always was, the extent and meaning of the Regulative Principle of Worship. The Regulative Principle, as i once pointed out to P-Marlowe, is a standard that all Christians presume, whether consciously or not, when arguing over what is or is not appropriate in a worship service. It is the EXTENT of the Regulative Principle, not it's existence, that genders question and contention. In that, pro610 is in the same boat as the rest of us.

[bigsigh]

huh??????????????????

[pro610]

I have no motives from a denominational standpoint and I see problems within all denominations because all of them have been contaminated by "Man"
Simply put, my assertion regarding the Catholic Church is only to point out that the Catholic Church has held strong Conservative values,
I respect that and I wonder where civilization would be today if the Catholic Church became too liberalized.
That being said,I understand that the Catholic Church is far from perfect.
The only thing I know is this.
Through Prayer,I trust the Holy Spirit in me too see the TRUTH.
The Holy Spirit is present in all Christian denominations and we(Man ) needs to open our hearts and minds and follow it. I know this much for sure. I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart because He has made me a "New" man. Peace to all of you in our Saviour,s name Jesus Christ