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Posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:24 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Thorin
"As I said, personal experience helped bring me to this position. Having been targeted for "missionary outreach" by fundamentalists on several occasions, I came away unimpressed, to say the least.:
I have had many similar experiences.
Also unreconstructed!
521
posted on
04/18/2005 11:42:47 AM PDT
by
e5man_r_u?
(A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
To: BigSkyFreeper
All this talk of smoke...
makes my mind wander. I
think I'll go do some chores. :)
522
posted on
04/18/2005 11:44:30 AM PDT
by
onyx
(Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
To: Pyro7480
Yup, there it is, now I'm caught up. Thanks. LOL.
523
posted on
04/18/2005 11:44:47 AM PDT
by
Romish_Papist
(Canonize Pope John Paul the Great as patron Saint of the unborn.)
To: onyx
524
posted on
04/18/2005 11:50:19 AM PDT
by
BigSkyFreeper
("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
To: ken5050
Someone just emailed me this..Imagine if the new Pope comes out on the balcony, gives his blessing, and in the new era of vatican openness, a reporter asks him.."Father, you've just been elected Pope, what are your going to do now?"..and the Pope replies..."I'm going to Disneyworld" So long as he's not going on Gay Days...
525
posted on
04/18/2005 12:13:28 PM PDT
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: Thorin
I happen to agree with your sentiments.
It seems no matter who is elected Pope, he will be scorned by either the ultras or the liberals or possibly both. Take what Cardinal Arinze has been noted above as saying. He seems to understand that an ecumenism and inter-faith dialogue that is peaceful and non-threatening in spirit (i.e. Christian), especially with Islam, is important. Such dialogues over time could have the immensely important effect of pulling the rug out from under militant Islamism.
Lastly, the notion that salvation cannot exist outside of the tiny confines of the ultras' minds has already been addressed by John Paul II and is a valid teaching. Those of goodwill saved are in fact part of the Church without formally joining. They are Christ's bretheren without knowing such.
Cardinal Arinze is a holy and wise pastor and I am glad John Paul II handed such men the red hats.
526
posted on
04/18/2005 12:24:36 PM PDT
by
Norman Bates
(In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
To: onyx
The key event will be the change in numbers for Ratzinger from the first to the second ballot tomorrow a.m. If Ratzinger moves up from, say 45 to 55, I'd put his election as pretty certain (but it might create an "anyone but Ratzinger" movement). But if Ratzinger moves down from 45 to 30, then his election is certainly out of the question and he becomes, as predicted, one of the Pope makers. Of course, we will not know about any of this at all, unless some cardinal in there wishes to bring excommunication upon his head.
527
posted on
04/18/2005 12:28:31 PM PDT
by
Remole
To: Salvation
No pope today. Better luck tomorrow!
528
posted on
04/18/2005 12:32:51 PM PDT
by
Ciexyz
(Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
To: BigSkyFreeper
Regarding the noon and 7 pm (local Rome time) signals: The cardinals agreed that the public should EXPECT smoke at those times AT A MINIMUM. Those are the times when the second of two ballots are done (2 ballots in morning, 2 in afternoon). But it is entirely possible that the first balloting of the morning or afternoon will result in an election, and so in that case white smoke will billow at, roughly, 10 am or 5 pm local time. So, to sum up:
10 am: white smoke only if election; noon: white smoke or black smoke, but there'll be some kind of smoke; 5 pm: white smoke if election; 7 pm: white smoke or black smoke.
529
posted on
04/18/2005 12:33:54 PM PDT
by
Remole
To: Ciexyz
At least for people like me, who are in Mountain time, I get to wake up to the first two votes of the day already done...and maybe even a new pope...takes a lot of stress about feeling I have to watch and wait off....I think the first vote of the day is around 2 am my time.
530
posted on
04/18/2005 12:39:56 PM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: JohnnyZ
How about Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop of Dublin. He could take the name Patrick I. Imagine his first visit back to Ireland after being elected Pope.
To: Remole
10 am: white smoke only if election; noon: white smoke or black smoke, but there'll be some kind of smoke; 5 pm: white smoke if election; 7 pm: white smoke or black smoke. Wouldn't there still be black smoke for every vote that doesn't result in a new Pope? They gotta burn the ballots each time.
532
posted on
04/18/2005 12:51:17 PM PDT
by
JohnnyZ
(“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
To: Remole
That's what we've always heard: the first vote is sentiment. I share your exact views regarding Cardinal Ratzinger, which is why I made the 3rd ballot guess, and a guess it is, nothing more. :)
533
posted on
04/18/2005 12:52:39 PM PDT
by
onyx
(Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
To: JohnnyZ
No--if ballots 1 and 2 in the morning result in no election, both sets are burned at the same time. Ditto for both ballots in the afternoon.
534
posted on
04/18/2005 12:56:51 PM PDT
by
Remole
To: JohnnyZ
If it's all no votes, they only burn them at noon and 7...even though there will be 4 votes during the day.
535
posted on
04/18/2005 12:57:11 PM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: onyx
I wouldn't be surprised if whoever gets chosen gets picked between the 3rd and 8th ballot.
536
posted on
04/18/2005 12:58:57 PM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: The Inspector
How about Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop of Dublin. True that. He's got experience inside and outside the Vatican.
I wonder, though, how difficult it would be to elect a non-Cardinal these days? who some of the Cardinal electors may have never met?
537
posted on
04/18/2005 1:02:01 PM PDT
by
JohnnyZ
(“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
538
posted on
04/18/2005 1:03:52 PM PDT
by
onyx
(Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
To: Petronski; onyx
What the heck? Are they burning a tire down there? That's a lot of smoke. If I recall .. didn't the Vatican mention in one of their presser that the color of the smoke would be clear enough so that the media wouldn't be confused :0)
539
posted on
04/18/2005 2:36:27 PM PDT
by
Mo1
("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" ~ Pope John Paul II)
To: marshmallow
If the smoke is black you must come back. LOL!
540
posted on
04/18/2005 2:38:11 PM PDT
by
Mo1
("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" ~ Pope John Paul II)
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