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To: jboot

While there are a lot of Catholics on this thread who might choose NOT to have dinner with this Bishop, if you take his word that he is celibate, then there's no 'sin.'

Being a homosexual is not sinful. ACTING on that disordered desire is sinful.

We all know that 'genetics' has nothing to do with this, although it's not clear exactly what causes may exist. There are family-background commonalities.

I happen to know quite a few gays, some active, a few who are heroically NOT active. Doesn't bother me to have dinner with any of them, assuming there are other factors which would make it a friendly occasion.


94 posted on 04/14/2005 6:50:42 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
While there are a lot of Catholics on this thread who might choose NOT to have dinner with this Bishop, if you take his word that he is celibate, then there's no 'sin.'

BUT WHY THE CHURCH?... Why do homosexuals, knowing what they are, want to DESPERATELY be inside the Church?... That is what makes me suspicious. There are thoundsands of professions out there... why does it have to be in the church, unless they have an agenda? If I were a drug-attic, or a prostitute, or a gigolo, or a pedofiliac - like Jacko the Wacho - [smile], I would just act on what I like to do, regardless. Why would I want the Church to change, in order to accommodate my dysfunctions? Doesn't makes sense... unless, again, you have a plan, an agenda.

And what is the agenda you asked? [smile], just like a cancer that invades a healthy body, to invade it, spread the decease, to destroy the moral values of the church, and kill it. And we know why the want to destroy it, don't we?

96 posted on 04/14/2005 8:33:56 AM PDT by ElPatriota (let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: ninenot
Being a homosexual is not sinful. ACTING on that disordered desire is sinful.

I think we could have a long circular argument about whether a celibate man can be a homosexual, but I agree with the thrust of your point. My point was not that the sin of homosexuality makes this man odious, but rather his claim that God actively creates sin and deviancy. He commits the sin of calling evil good, and compounds it both by blaspheming and by proclaiming it from a priestly pulpit. From a scriptural perspective this makes him a false teacher to be shunned, unless he repents. Both Paul and Jude speak authoritatively on this point.

If he were a homosexual outside of the church, or even one within the church who was not in a position of authority I would gladly eat dinner with him. Christ did no less for sinners.

98 posted on 04/14/2005 9:38:39 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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