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Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained
America, the National Catholic Weekly ^ | September 30, 2002 | Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton

Posted on 04/12/2005 7:31:36 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II

Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained By Thomas J. Gumbleton

One major fallout of the current crisis of leadership in the Catholic Church is the scapegoating of homosexual priests and seminarians. One bishop was quoted as saying that his “unscientific conclusion is that most sexual abuse by priests is against adolescent boys and therefore is rooted in societal acceptance of homosexuality.” He went on to draw the bizarre conclusion that there are some fields that should not be open to certain people: “I don’t think drug addicts should be pharmacists, I don’t think alcoholics should be bartenders, I don’t think kleptomaniacs should be bank tellers and I don’t think homosexuals should be priests.” Obviously he believes every homosexual person is a sex addict and, if we barred them from the priesthood, the sex scandal would be quietly ended.

Other bishops do not go so far as to consider all homosexual men to be sex addicts; nevertheless, they bar them from the seminary and the priesthood. Their policy reflects the judgment provided in a report prepared by the theologian Germain Grisez: “Can men with a homosexual orientation become good candidates for ordination? There are reasons to doubt it. Sexuality profoundly shapes the lives of human persons, and a homosexual orientation, albeit less bizarre than the commonly recognized paraphilias, is a grave disorder. Homosexual men no doubt can be perfectly continent, but the charism of celibacy involves more; peaceful chastity and the sublimation of sexual energy into priestly service for the kingdom’s sake.”

Some critics of the acceptance of homosexual men into the priesthood, like Charles Wilson, head of the St. Joseph’s Foundation, a canon law organization in Texas, would like to see the church make the ban on homosexual seminarians more explicit in canon law, although he contends that if canon law is interpreted correctly it already prohibits homosexual seminarians.

In fact, one bishop has already publicly taken this position. He insists: “There is a difference between a heterosexual and homosexual candidate for the priesthood. A heterosexual candidate is taking on a good thing, becoming a priest, and giving up a good thing, the desire to have a family. A gay seminarian, even a chaste one, by his orientation is not a suitable candidate for the priesthood, even if he did not commit an act of [gay sex]. He is giving up what the church considers an abomination.”

Last March Joaquin Navarro-Valls, the official spokesperson for the Vatican, publicly linked pedophile priests with homosexuality and even went so far as to suggest that gay men could not be validly ordained. His statement in itself would not be of great concern, since Dr. Navarro-Valls is not in any sense part of the church’s magisterium. However, his remarks seem to take on an authoritative nature, because no bishop in the Vatican or elsewhere has publicly rejected those remarks. This can certainly leave the impression that he speaks with official support.

All of this focus on gay men in the priesthood and religious life, as a response to the recent sexual scandals, leaves many gay priests and brothers feeling very vulnerable and afraid. In a recent article one religious, Bro. Jack Talbot, a friar in the Capuchin Province of St. Joseph, quoted a friend: “It’s such a difficult journey just to be out; coming out in religious life requires another level of courage and conversion. With the Vatican’s recent attack on homosexuals in religious life, I fear that some parishioner will turn my orientation into something ugly and vile, and the next thing you know I will be reading about it in the local paper.”

All this must stop: the scapegoating of gay priests for the sex abuse crisis, the demand to reject homosexual persons for the priesthood and religious life, the unchallenged suggestion that the ordination of a gay man would be invalid. All these positions contribute to the sharp increase in the negative feelings that so many in the church and our society have toward homosexual persons.

The first step toward reversing these harsh judgments and negative feelings about gay priests and homosexual persons in general is to examine our own experience. Without being aware of it, untold numbers of people in the church have been blessed by the compassionate and healing ministry of gay priests and bishops. Ordinary common sense tells us that such ministry is of God. It is authentic and it is valid.

It might also be helpful to recall what the U.S. bishops wrote in their document Always Our Children. In speaking to parents who discover that their child is homosexual we asked, “How can you best express your love—itself a reflection of God’s unconditional love—for your child?” And then we urged:

Don’t break off contact; don’t reject your child.... Your child may need you and your family more than ever. He or she is still the same person. This child who has always been God’s gift to you may now be the cause of another gift: your family becoming more honest, respectful and supportive. Yes, your love can be tested by this reality, but it can also grow stronger through your struggle to respond lovingly.

Would it not be a blessing for parents who are struggling to accept and unconditionally love their homosexual child if the church were to accept gay priests and bishops openly and gratefully? And if the gift of a homosexual child can be the cause of another gift to the family, is it not even more likely that a homosexual priest could be the cause of such a gift to the parish community? A community that could accept this gift would grow in its ability to be honest, respectful and supportive.

We must also ask ourselves: do we really want to deprive the church of the valuable and blessed ministry that is already being provided by priests and religious who are gay or lesbian? Do we really wish to increase the pain and hurt that many of them have experienced throughout their lives? Do we really want to instigate a “witch hunt” to expel from the ministry gay priests, and, I might add, gay bishops?

As a bishop for over 30 years, I have worked with and come to know well many gay priests. They are healthy psychologically, and their committed ministry has been very effective. I am inspired by their love of God and of the people they serve so well and generously. I also know the struggle they now face as they see the bishops deal with the current crisis in the church.

A few letters that I have received recently show clearly how this present attack on homosexual persons is being experienced. One priest wrote:

I am a Roman Catholic priest in good standing, and celibate. I did not choose to be so, but in God’s infinite love and mercy I was created a gay man....

I have struggled with the knowledge of my sexuality. I have sought ways that my gifts and talents could be used fully for building the Kingdom of God. However, the fear of “witch hunts” continues to keep a part of me “in the closet.” How I long to be able to be “out” (in appropriate ways) and honest with the people I serve. I feel rejection by the people I try to serve in love, which causes me much pain. Sometimes I wonder if I should remain a priest....

I love the work I do. I live celibacy one day at a time, and I believe that I am a good priest. But I am also saddened that I am prevented from sharing those parts of who I am, the source of my compassion and that which energizes me.... I find unbearable that there is so much hate that continues to be fueled by those who claim to speak for our reconciling God.

Here is another example:

I am a priest who is gay and celibate, and I have struggled all my life with the many issues associated with being born homosexual.

The Holy Spirit has obviously called many gays to the priesthood in the last few years. How do the bishops explain that? Do the bishops understand the hatred and opposition they are stirring up toward gay priests by their remarks? Do they see that, like opposition to minorities entering the priesthood years ago, their opposition to gays has no foundation in the teachings of Jesus? Bishop Gumbleton, you have encouraged gay priests to be open about their orientation. And I have been—only to be questioned now by parishioners as someone who has been ordained mistakenly. In all my years of sacraments, today was the first time a young couple in our parish asked me if the baptism of their baby would be valid—since they had heard from their parents that I was a homosexual.

It seems clear to me that these priests who have been totally faithful in following out their call to the priesthood deserve better of us. They must not be harassed and forced to live in fear and even suffer the violence that our society often directs against homosexual persons. Open support and love for gay priests and bishops would remove the sense of isolation and loneliness that many experience. This, together with the freedom to no longer “hide an important part of who I am,” would greatly lessen the number of those who otherwise might fail to be faithful to their celibate commitment.

And I insist that we must reject any suggestion that a gay priest or bishop cannot make the same celibate commitment a heterosexual man would make. It is a very inadequate understanding of celibacy to say that, as the bishop quoted above put it, a heterosexual priest is “giving up a good thing, the desire to have a family.” Celibacy is not simply a “giving up” of something. It is a positive way of loving—truly loving and being loved—but with the exclusion of sexual intimacy. Homosexual people can also love celibately and be a sign of God’s love just as genuinely as heterosexuals. In Always Our Children the U.S. bishops taught this clearly when they stated:

Everyone—the homosexual and the heterosexual person—is called to personal maturity and responsibility. With the help of God’s grace, everyone is called to practice the virtue of chastity in relationships. Chastity means integrating one’s thoughts, feelings and actions in the area of human sexuality in a way that values and respects one’s own dignity and that of others.

As a heterosexual person I have had to learn how to integrate my sexuality in a healthy way in all of my loving and mutual relationships. As a celibate person, I chose to do this without full sexual intimacy. And as Professor Grisez puts it, I arrive at a point of “peaceful chastity and the sublimation of sexual energy into priestly service for the kingdom’s sake.”

What is true of me as a celibate heterosexual person is just as true of the celibate homosexual person. The celibate homosexual priest or bishop brings the same charism to the service of the church as the heterosexual and can achieve the same “peaceful chastity and sublimation of sexual energy” for priestly service.

To say that the only thing a gay priest has to give up is “an abomination” manifests not only profound ignorance of what celibacy really is, but also is an insult to every homosexual person. Again, while celibacy represents a sacrifice, it is not simply a “giving up.” It is a unique way of loving, a charism given by God to persons who are homosexual or heterosexual. For this reason, it is absurd to suggest that the ordination of homosexual persons is invalid simply because of their sexual orientation. Obviously God has called many gay men to the priesthood and to the episcopate throughout the whole history of the church. Indeed, to declare all of these ordinations invalid would call into question the integrity of our whole sacramental system.

Another important reason to reject this attack against homosexual priests and bishops is that by identifying homosexuals as the cause, or an important part of the cause, of the current crisis we will fail to deal with the most basic cause of the scandalous situation. The radical cause was identified in 1971 in the psychological study of Catholic priests and bishops in the United States, authored by Dr. Eugene Kennedy. This study, of course, included homosexual and heterosexual priests. It indicated that a very large percentage of priests were seriously underdeveloped in terms of psychological maturity. This can result in a situation in which a person may be chronologically an adult but psychologically, affectively and emotionally still a teenager. Obviously such persons will tend toward inappropriate relationships. (A person who is psychologically an adolescent would feel more comfortable in relationships with younger people—with “teenagers” like himself.) And whether such a relationship is homosexual or heterosexual, it is wrong and can even be criminal.

But the problem confronting us is not a problem of homosexual priests among us. It is a problem of seriously underdeveloped priests. Yet this is a problem that can be overcome. Underdeveloped persons can be guided toward a fuller stage of maturity that will enable them to function in a psychologically healthy way. This is just as true of the underdeveloped homosexual person as it is of the underdeveloped heterosexual person. The important thing to work toward in the seminary and in religious formation is approving for ordination only those persons who have achieved an adequate degree of healthy psychological development. This must include healthy psychological development for both homosexual and heterosexual persons. Various psychological studies indicate homosexual persons are as healthy as anyone else. This can also be the case among priests and bishops.

There are a number of additional reasons why we must reject attacks upon homosexual priests and value their ministry in the church. For example, in his book, Spiritual Direction and the Gay Person, James Empereur, S.J., states: “Homosexuality is one of God’s most significant gifts to humanity. Through their testimony of suffering, God has chosen gays and lesbians to reveal something about God that heterosexuals do not.” Drawing on this insight, Bro. Jack Talbot points out that homosexuals “minister through the language of our pain, of our passion story. As we begin a new century, a recontextualized gospel of reconciliation is required, and healing medicine can be offered from the marginalized. Our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters can help our institution during this moment of suffering and humiliation.”

I agree. What a loss if we drive these “gifted” people from our midst!

A further gift gay priests bring to our church is an exceptional ability and courage to proclaim the truth—something demanded by the prophetic nature of the priesthood. This can happen because of the often arduous “coming out” process homosexuals must undertake. Gay and lesbian people have had to identify, accept and affirm a truth about themselves that others have defamed. Coming to this awareness can be enormously difficult. In fact, it often had to be done without any encouragement or guideposts from others. They have often experienced opposition to knowing the truth about themselves, accepting their truth, and being willing even to share it with others. By living out this painful process, gay priests develop a deeply prophetic courage.

Gay priests also can offer a depth of compassion not always shared in a comparable way by heterosexual priests. Gay people have often been treated as outcasts by society, church and even family. Because of this experience, they can develop an awareness and sensitivity to those who are being excluded and included in various situations. Such a gift of compassion surely enriches one who is called to minister to others.

For all of these reasons, I urge our church leadership to rejoice in the blessings that can come to us by recognizing and supporting gay priests rather than shunning or rejecting them. Bro. Jack Talbot describes very well what needs to happen if we hope to achieve a good resolution of the current crisis in the church:

The church hierarchy needs to accept the help of her gay and lesbian members as ministers of healing, rather than making us scapegoats for a problem that we did nothing to create. Let us be advocates for the church during this crisis. Hear our stories.... For many, our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters may be unlikely teachers. Nevertheless, they can be God’s healing balm, God’s grace and peace at a time when the fragility of our society is painfully demonstrated in the crisis spots that are in the forefront of the news and in the frailty of the human heart.

See also James Martin, S.J., "The Church and the Homosexual Priest," America, Nov. 4, 2000.

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To: Beowulf9; Revel

Re: Fr. Martin, there are some excellent interviews with him by Bernard Janzen available on tape if you are interested. He gives a very good explanation of the crisis in the Church.


21 posted on 04/12/2005 8:12:11 PM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: G Larry

Agreed.


22 posted on 04/12/2005 8:12:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Grey Ghost II

Bishop Gumbleton, a shining example of Rome's impotence in removing a true danger to the flock. He, along with his compatriot Cardinal Law, is an absolute travesty.


23 posted on 04/12/2005 8:13:25 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Started to read it, but have to finish it later. Very long, and if the rest is like the beginning, very stupid.

The reason "gays" want to be priests or other religious figures is this:

Priests and other religious authorities are considered to be more godly, more holy, and living more an ideal life. So if homosexuals can fill these roles, they are "in like flynn". They have arrived. Their sexual depravity is now whitewashed, and they are not only accepted, equal - but better.

Let DirtyHarryY2K and me know if you want on/off this pinglist.


BTW, does anyone know anything about this Bishop? Is he a homosexual? Can't imagine that he isn't, writing drivel which supports evil such as this.


24 posted on 04/12/2005 8:15:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Grey Ghost II
You didn't mention it, but the rainbow colors along the lower half of his miter are also a symbol of those "proud to be gay."

picture's worth a thousand words...colorful, really colorful.

25 posted on 04/12/2005 8:25:01 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: pipecorp

You have ceded too much territory to the homosexualists by accepting their confounding of the temptation ('orientation') with the sin ('practice').

The problem lies with the ordination of those who call evil 'good' and good 'evil', or who yield to grevious temptations, not with the ordination of those subject to any particular besetting temptation.

I have little doubt that for centuries, the Latin church (and for that matter the Orthodox church) has ordained men who suffer from temptations to all manner of sins from theft to sodomy, from wrath (which Our Lord equated with murder) to fornication. The problem besetting the Latin church arose when the gate-keeping at the seminaries, in terms of judging the stability of candidates for ordination, was passed to secular psychologists from those with traditional moral and religious sensibilities (who had typically discerned well which men were fitted for celibacy).


26 posted on 04/12/2005 8:30:24 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: Grey Ghost II
OK...we have come to expect this kind of thing from Bp. Gumbleton.

But, even if you concede most of his philosophical points, he still ignores the practical problems of allowing homosexual seminarians.

Has it never even occurred to him that the other men in the seminary deserve an environment conducive to their priestly formation? Or that having a homosexual subculture in the seminaries tends to undermine such an environment?

27 posted on 04/12/2005 8:33:54 PM PDT by B Knotts (Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: Grey Ghost II
A Catholic priest should be non-sexual. Neither hetero nor homo, they are supposed to be celibate.

Having said that, I don't think homosexual men should be allowed to be ordained just as women shouldn't in the Catholic faith. Any other Christian faith which ordains women or gays is up to that church's policies. Not all homosexual men are pedophiles, but why drop a steak in front of the lion? An adolescent boy is just starting to explore his sexuality, and he shouldn't have Pastor Giggle-fingers exploring it for him.

IMO

28 posted on 04/12/2005 8:34:05 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: pipecorp
If a homosexual leaves the lifestyle, is celibate, he is not homosexual. To admit he is, he is not celibate. Once he leaves the lifestyle, or if he never acted on it, then why is he still considering himself gay???

This whole article is a plea to allow the activist gays anther source of indoctrination, and should be ignored! Most especially by all Bishops!

My guess is we will see more of this, as they hope to infiltrate the election of the new Pope, and influence it. Homosexuality is an abomination. The answer to this article.......NO
29 posted on 04/12/2005 9:00:03 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: murphE

THey just want to infiltrate even more than they did in Germany in the 30's. Hope it doesn't work!


30 posted on 04/12/2005 9:01:43 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: infidel29

Priests are not to be non-sexual. Sexuality is an integral part of the human person. The catechism says:

Sexuality affects all aspects of the human person in the unity of his body and soul. It especially concerns affectivity, the capacity to love and to procreate, and in a more general way the aptitude for forming bonds of communion with others (2332).

To ask that a priest be non-sexual is to ask that he not be a human person. Celibacy is the manner in which the priest uses his sexuality. It enables him to sublimate that aspect of his personality into energy for the building up of the kingdom of Christ, which is the Church.

That being said, I understand what you are saying; and I agree that homosexuals should not be ordained simply because "sexuality affects all aspects of the human person."


31 posted on 04/12/2005 9:09:29 PM PDT by SaintThomasMorePrayForUs
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To: Grey Ghost II

I can't believe what I just read was written by someone who claims to be "Catholic."

Bishop/Preists/Men of the Cloth homosexuals who openly claim to believe "G-d made them that way," are blasphemers who are truly in denial of their own self deprecation. A member of any church heirachy who publically endorses what the Bible considers an "abomination," and deems importance in expressing that he had/has homosexual tendencies but "controls" it through faith, exhibits the characteristics of a religious phoney who seeks a political soap box to stand on. This man states that a bishop or priest who declares his/her celebacy while coming "out of the closet" at the same time, can benefit the church by openly admitting to their parishoners that they are in a sinful mindset at all times. What possible good can come of this?

IMO, this man is arrogant, as he and those like him require an audience to support their habit. They seek ultimate acceptance and adoration of their flawed nature from those who turn to them in their time of need. These are acts of vanity and pride, which are only but two of the seven deadly sins the writer has brazenly displayed. This type of person is unworthy of any position within the Catholic leadership, as his words declare he is a wolf among the sheep.



32 posted on 04/12/2005 9:10:19 PM PDT by tomball
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To: Grey Ghost II

Want to knowe how this scandal happened? Just look at who is bishop.


33 posted on 04/12/2005 10:21:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Grey Ghost II

The reason why the Vatican put an age limit on bishops. No fool like an old fool. Another reason why John Paul hung on as long as he could, so he could outlast men such as this guy. It is their generation that has brought ruin to the Church and naturally they will not assume responsibility.


34 posted on 04/12/2005 10:27:04 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: murphE

Yeah, I'd be interested. Where do you find those?

And yes, Revel. I can see what you mean by the only one you considered 'legit'. I suppose there is nothing more supernatural than the nature of a truly spiritual man.


35 posted on 04/12/2005 10:46:31 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Grey Ghost II; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Ping.


36 posted on 04/12/2005 10:56:38 PM PDT by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: pipecorp
If the sin of homosexuality is to be ignored, why not all other sins as well? Let rapists, muderers, child abusers, thieves, liars, arsonist and animal abusers all be ordained. If you don't believe the religion, don't subscribe to it.

The reason that the Church has not banned homosexual ordination is that priests have a vow of celibacy.

The "sin" is not the temptation to commit homosexual acts but the actual committing of a homosexual act.

So, the question becomes, "If a man believes that he is a homosexual and has homosexual urges but never gives into the temptation to commit a homosexual act, has he sinned?"

37 posted on 04/12/2005 11:10:46 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: narses

When are we beatifying Karl marx already. Bishop Gumbleton can't wait forever.


38 posted on 04/12/2005 11:20:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Grey Ghost II
"He was one of only a few - I think there were only two -American bishops who could really handle Latin, and all the discussions were in Latin."

Is that true about the American bishops at V2? Anyone?

I don't know if was just the American bishops, but I do recall reading years ago that the "reformers" knew exactly what they wanted to push through and were prepared, Latin and all -- and got started right away, while the "outsiders" were "still finding their seats and brushing up their Latin."

39 posted on 04/13/2005 2:31:20 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Grey Ghost II

Isn't Gumbleton one of the bishops Roman Catholic Faithful has been watching?


40 posted on 04/13/2005 2:32:36 AM PDT by maryz
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