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An Extraordinary Prophecy (Hal Lindsey on the Pope)
hal lindsey oracle ^ | 4/09/2005 | Hal Lindsey

Posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by diverteach

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To: Daisy4
I am not talking about a vision of a catholic girl... Anyone who believe that needs to have their head examined!

That is where your dispensationalism came from Daisy, from the vision of a Roman Catholic girl in Scotland in 1830 and was turned into a bad teaching by John Nelson Darby and Scofield in the US, and is taught by Dallas Theological Semitary exclusively.

I agree with you, anyone who believes that nonsense should have their head examined.

Want me to book the appointment for you, or will you do it yourself?

181 posted on 04/13/2005 1:04:18 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

You only know what you have been force fed by the false teachings of dispensationalists



Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it must be a duck, right? [Must be true if is written in scripture]. It doesn't need a dispensationalist to figure that out.... just common sense with the Holy Spirit's guidance.


182 posted on 04/13/2005 1:05:08 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4
Paul is dealing with a different matter here in the scripture you show.

No, Paul is dealing with the Second Coming, which is precisely what Paul means when he says, at His Coming, but no doubt you will find a convaluted, twisted way to deny that fact.

183 posted on 04/13/2005 1:07:25 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Daisy4

Sorry, but you are led by a lying spirit.


184 posted on 04/13/2005 1:08:30 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

Yes John Hagee is one of the very BEST!!


185 posted on 04/13/2005 1:19:27 PM PDT by queenkathy (Can't think of anything cute for my tagline)
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To: queenkathy
Do you know that everytime someone scoffs at Bible Prophecy, they are fulfilling it?

Fortune-telling is bad for your health. Evenif you try to use God Word as your ouija board. A neurotic anxiety to know what the future holds is incompatible with joyous confidence in the God who holds the future.

186 posted on 04/13/2005 1:21:47 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

Clarence Larkin was a great man of God, whose teachings are used by many Bible believing students. He did not get his inspiration from a vision of a catholic, nor do I.







Clarence Larkin
1850-1924
http://www.larkinestates.com/larkinbio.htm

American Baptist pastor, Bible teacher, and writer, Clarence Larkin was born October 28, 1850, in Chester, Delaware County, Pennsylvania. He was converted to Christ at the age of 19 and then felt called to the Gospel ministry, but the doors of opportunity for study and ministry did not open immediately. He then got a job in a bank.

When he was 21 years old, he left the bank and went to college, graduating as a mechanical engineer. He continued as a professional draftsman for a while, then he became a teacher of the blind. This last endeavor cultivated his descriptive faculties -- something God would later use in him to produce a monumental work on dispensational theology. Later, failing health compelled him to give up his teaching career. After a prolonged rest, he became a manufacturer.

But he was not happy. He felt that God wanted him in the Gospel ministry. When he was converted he had become a member of the Episcopal Church, but in 1882, at the age of 32, he became a Baptist and was ordained as a Baptist minister two years later. He went directly from business into the ministry.

His first charge was at Kennett Square, Pennsylvania; his second pastorate was at Fox Chase, Pennsylvania, where he remained for 20 years. He was not a premillennialist at the time of his ordination, but his study of the Scriptures, with the help of some books that fell into his hands, led him to adopt the premillennialist position. He began to make large wall charts, which he titled, "Prophetic Truth," for use in the pulpit. These led to his being invited to teach, in connection with his pastoral work, in two Bible institutes. During this time he published a number of prophetical charts, which were widely circulated.

When World War I broke out in 1914, he was called on for addresses on The War and Prophecy. Then God laid it on his heart to prepare a work on Dispensational Truth (or God's Plan and Purpose in the Ages), containing a number of charts with descriptive matter. He spent three years of his life designing and drawing the charts and preparing the text. The favorable reception it has had since it was first published in 1918 seems to indicate that the world was waiting for such a book.

Because it had a large and wide circulation in this and other lands, the first edition was soon exhausted. It was followed by a second edition, and then, realizing that the book was of permanent value, Larkin revised it and expanded it, printing it in its present form. Larkin followed this masterpiece with other books: Rightly Dividing the Word, The Book of Daniel, Spirit World, Second Coming of Christ, and A Medicine Chest for Christian Practitioners, a handbook on evangelism.

Larkin, a kind and gentle man, deplored the tendency of writers to say uncharitable things about each other, so he earnestly sought to avoid criticisms and to satisfy himself with simply presenting his understanding of the Scriptures. Though he did not intend to publish his own works, the Lord led in that direction. During the last five years of his life, the demand for Larkin's books made it necessary for him to give up the pastorate and devote his full time to writing. He went to be with the Lord on January 24, 1924.



187 posted on 04/13/2005 1:23:02 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

Sorry, but you are led by a lying spirit.



That's what the pharasees thought of Jesus when he was on earth the first time. That's really a compliment because it means I am in good company with the Lord!!


188 posted on 04/13/2005 1:24:36 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

No, Paul is dealing with the Second Coming, which is precisely what Paul means when he says, at His Coming, but no doubt you will find a convaluted, twisted way to deny that fact.



You still have ignored the rapture scriptures I have posted, which are different than the scriptures you have posted.

Are you that narrow-minded that you have no room to expand your knowledge of the scriptures... How sad.


189 posted on 04/13/2005 1:27:57 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4
Paul's scenario in 1 Corinthians leaves no room for a "secret rapture" separate from the actual Second Coming: 1 Corinthians 15:20-24.
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Because the catching away of the church is not written in the scriptures that you posted here. It's written in the one's I posted, and I am not going to go back through them again with you.
What you and the dispensationalists have done is take a couple of verses, out of the context of the whole and built an entire theological construct from them, which is precisely how heresies are arrived at.

Paul is dealing with a different matter here in the scripture you show.
And what "matter", would that be?

But let's look at the CONTEXT of Paul's discourse in 1 Corinthians 15:

12Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. 16For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
*****note; the CONTEXT is resurrection*****

20But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

*****note; Paul without any doubt, and as plainly as it can be said, says clearly that Christ is the firstfruit of the Resurrection and "at His Coming"(hint: that means His Second Coming)Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.*****

The end, means exactly that, "the end". Christ puts and end to all rule and all authority and power at His Coming in Judgment. No secret, two stage coming. It is one, and is equivalent to Resurrection and Judgment.

It doesn't get any plainer than that.

190 posted on 04/13/2005 1:34:00 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

Well, I guess you'll just have to search through this thread and find the catching away of the church scriptures that I posted for you. If you are at all sincere about wanting to expand your knowledge , then you will do just that.


191 posted on 04/13/2005 1:37:38 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4
You still have ignored the rapture scriptures I have posted, which are different than the scriptures you have posted.
No, they have not been ignored at all, the passages you cited are simply taken out of context of the whole and must be read within the context of the other passages that refer to the Second Coming, Resurrection and Judgment. You lift them out and pour the dispensational template into them to try and force them to say something the rest of Scripture opposes. Those passages are talking about the Resurrection, because "the rapture" and Resurrection are one in the same, and is "on the last day, not in some secret, two stage process, separated by 7 years, as Paul plainly says in 1 Corinthians 15 and the other passages cited.

Are you that narrow-minded that you have no room to expand your knowledge of the scriptures... How sad.
What's sad, is that you have been duped by false teachers, and can't see the truth of Scripture because of a horrible false teaching system that has infected your spirit.

192 posted on 04/13/2005 1:41:08 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva

The Antichrist – representative of the final Gentile world empire – will desecrate a restored Jewish sanctuary, to be sure. But apparently, it is only temporary. It could be the ancient tent fashioned by David, or it could be a temporary building.

But the real and lasting Third Temple will be built by Messiah, Himself. This lengthy and detailed development is described by Ezekiel in chapters 40 through 48. Among the significant aspects of the process is the confirmation of the Holy Place:

"So he measured the length thereof, twenty cubits; and the breadth, twenty cubits, before the temple: and he said unto me, This is the most holy place" (Ezk. 41:4).

After this, there is an interesting detail that reminds us of Revelation 11. Ezekiel speaks of the return of the Shekinah glory. But he also refers to a "profane place" that is apparently provided for Gentile use.

"He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.

"Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:

"And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory" (Ezk. 42:20 – 43:2).

In Revelation 11, John also sees where a court for the Gentiles is specifically laid out.

Jerusalem Rebuilt

The Kingdom Temple described by Ezekiel in great detail is often referred to as the Third Temple. It will be the greatest and most detailed municipal plan ever undertaken. "Jerusalem, the Golden" will be its rightful name. It will be the seat of the Davidic throne. Perhaps Ornan's ancient threshing floor somehow will be preserved and displayed as the site of the Holy Place.

A thousand years of Messianic rule will bless the earth. During that time, everyone on earth will pay homage and tribute to the reigning house of David. Satan will have been bound, and the earth restored.

But at the end of the Millennium, Satan will be released, and there will come a new rebellion and judgment. Following the divine retribution of the Great White Throne, and the renewing of heaven and earth, Jerusalem will finally realize its destiny:

It will suddenly appear above earth (perhaps in stationary orbit above the site of the old Jerusalem?) as a gleaming gem. Its very structure is freighted with meaning, with twelve foundations for the Apostles and twelve gates for the tribes of Israel.

Its streets of transparent gold beggar the imagination. But, most amazing of all, it is illuminated by God:

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it" (Rev. 21:22-24).

Notice that New Jerusalem has no temple. The redeemed, the Lord God and the Lamb become one. They are literally the new temple, as given in Revelation 3:12:

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Abraham and all the faithful will have eternal, complete and irrefutable identity with the living God. Like the Jews, let us remember the heart's cry of our destiny: "Next year in Jerusalem!"
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193 posted on 04/13/2005 1:42:10 PM PDT by queenkathy (Can't think of anything cute for my tagline)
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To: Daisy4
I have referenced those passages in my post, but you have not even read them.

But hey, it's a free country and you are free to remain duped by false teachers if you want.

194 posted on 04/13/2005 1:42:40 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: queenkathy
Yes John Hagee is one of the very BEST!!

John Hagee is a heretic and false teacher of the worst kind.

John Hagee teaches an occultic concept of faith, and teaches a false gospel that the Jews are saved because they are Jews and do not need Christ.

John Hagee is from the pit of hell.

195 posted on 04/13/2005 1:45:01 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: TomSmedley

I agree to part of what you say. Bible prophecy is not "fortune telling". But you are right that we need to be joyous in our Christian walk. We should read the Bible like one would read a road map...The Holy Spirit guides us in all truth...We must know the signs and what they mean. That's not fortune telling. That's doing what Jesus tells us to do. So we won't be deceived.


196 posted on 04/13/2005 1:47:02 PM PDT by queenkathy (Can't think of anything cute for my tagline)
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To: Daisy4
That's what the pharasees thought of Jesus when he was on earth the first time. That's really a compliment because it means I am in good company with the Lord!! Oh YOU are SO right! Right on. Preach it!
197 posted on 04/13/2005 1:48:34 PM PDT by queenkathy (Can't think of anything cute for my tagline)
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To: queenkathy; Daisy4
See post #175

Those parables mean nothing to you do they?

Those passages are meaningless to you aren't they?

Yes, they are, because they stand in opposition to your false system.

198 posted on 04/13/2005 1:50:17 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: queenkathy

Next thing you know you'l be talking in gobblygook tongues, and still led by a deceiving spirit.


199 posted on 04/13/2005 1:51:43 PM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva
John Hagee is from the pit of hell. OOPS! Not good to say that...Not good at all...Be very careful speaking ill of God's children!!! And I love the Jewish people..Aren't all Christians supposed to love everyone? The Jews are God's and you probably should really temper your judgements. Saying someone is from the pit of hell, as you put it, is making a judgement that you, my dear soul, are not qualified to make!! Unless you are doing the devils work...You're not are you?

I have Choir Practice/Orchestra Practice tonight but will be watching for your comments...

200 posted on 04/13/2005 1:54:47 PM PDT by queenkathy (Can't think of anything cute for my tagline)
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