Posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by diverteach
Modern communication technology has helped make the Pope’s death an unparalleled event. The entire world has literally come together to praise this one man. I find that many sense that there will be some important and climactic consequences to follow the death of this Pope.
As I studied the many Bible prophecies of the Last Days, I found a most unusual extra-Biblical prophecy made by an Irish Catholic Bishop in the 12th Century. His name is St. Malachy. According to his biographer St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in his book Life of Saint Malachy, St. Malachy was known to have the gift of prophesy and even predicted the exact day and hour of his own death. St. Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.
According to his biographer, St. Malachy was visiting Rome in 1139 when he went into a trance and received a vision. Malachy wrote down this extraordinary vision in which he claims to have foreseen all of the Popes from the death of Innocent II until the destruction of the Church and the Return of Christ. He named exactly 112 Popes from that time until the end.
St. Malachy wrote a few prophetically descriptive words in Latin about each one of the Popes. He then gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II and it was deposited in the Vatican Archives where it was forgotten for several centuries. Then in 1590, it was rediscovered and published.
The interesting thing is that scholars have matched the brief 110 descriptive predictions with each of the 110 Popes and anti-Popes that there have been since Innocent II. Though they are a bit obscure, they have fit the general profile of each of the Popes.
Now these are in no way the same kind of predictions we find in the Bible....
(Excerpt) Read more at hallindseyoracle.com ...
You would do well to actually study the Scriptures without the presuppositions of the likes of Jack Van Impe or Hal Lindsey, Especially, Hebrews.
ok.... I will try again to get you to stop and think what you are posting and stop posting selective scriptures to promote you anti-Christian agenda. There is nothing despensational about the Holy Scriptures. It's either there or it isn't.
Romans Ch. 9 vs. 26 [written by Paul, the Jew as given to him by the Holy Spirit of God:]
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; (meaning the Israelites or Jews) there shall they be called the children of the living God,
27. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED;
I sincerely hope you will consider getting into a Bible believing church where you can get help in learning the scriptures.
You are either selectively posting scripture to suit your agenda, or you just don't know them, or you are a troll.
Or you are reading a false scripture.
It is against a very bad theological construct that is new on the block and stand in opposition to what the Church has always taught.
It artifically divides God's people into two distinct groups with two distinct plans of salvation. That Is absolutely FALSE and a lie straight from the pit of HELL.
Now back to the catching away of the church of Jesus Christ at the rapture:
I have pointed out to you, backed up with scripture, that the rapture is secret and Christ will not be seen to the rest of the unbelieving world, it will happen in the "twinkling of an eye" according to scripture and we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and taken to be with him, then the angels will open up the seals and pour out God's wrath upon this Christ forsaking world, while the faithful are in heaven at the wedding feast prepared for us [all believers of Christ are the Bride of Christ]
vs.
The second coming Christ: in Revelation Ch. 1, vs. 7:
BEHOLD, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; AND "EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM."
Do you get the picture now?
Now, compare this verse with the Second Coming
That is what YOU are doing.
, or you just don't know them,
All you know is what yuo have been fed by false teachers like Jack Van Impe. You haven't a clue as to what the Scriptures really teach in their totality.
or you are a troll.
That's a good and easy way out of facing Biblical truth that exposes your false system of dispensationalism, now isn't it.
So you accuse anyone who opposes your false system to be a "troll", when I have been posting on this thread since the beginning---give me a break!
Or you are reading a false scripture.
You have been duped by eisegetical false teaching of dispensationalist, who read their own presuppositions into snippets of Scripture out of context of the whole.
It's the fallacy and myth of a secret, two stage Coming as portrayed by bad teachers that is non-biblical.
Well, instead of accusing, why don't you back up you claims and respond to what I have posted instead of pointing the finger at someone else. I HAVE CLEARLY SHOWED SCRIPTURE and BACKED UP MY CLAMS, AND YOU REFUSE TO EVEN LOOK AT IT.
Evidentlly your church doesn't teach the true word of God... is it any wonder you cannot respond in an appropriate manner except accuse.
Dispensationalism has been around for centuries... your church just nevere looked at it.
Sadly you are duped to the point of not even knowing the history of dispensationalism. It had it's beginning in 1830 with a vision by a Roman Catholic girl named Margaret McDonald in Glascow, Scotland and was run with by John Nelson Darby, and later Scofield in the US.
Please get your facts straight.
Then read it again, and again, and again.
More is coming.
Don't bother copying and pasting from another site, I can read the scriptures for myself and not be led by some false doctrine.
Sadly you are duped to the point of not even knowing the history of dispensationalism. It had it's beginning in 1830 with a vision by a Roman Catholic girl named Margaret McDonald in Glascow, Scotland and was run with by John Nelson Darby, and later Scofield in the US.
Clarence Larkin is one of the greatest writers of Dispensational Truth
http://www.thinkbible.org/bookdb/0005.html
Dispensational Truth
Author .... Larkin, Clarence
ISBN .... 0001473727
Publisher .... Larkin Estate
Bible References .... KJV
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Dispensatonal Truth by Clarence Larkin is an amazing book! It contains 34 chapters of descriptive matter and 42 splendid prophetical charts 9x20 inches (divided across the seam), 48 one page charts, and 15 art cuts. The teaching is outstanding and the charts are unbelievable. You could spend hour upon hour learning the truths presented in the charts alone.
There are 300 columns of reading matter, each column 4.5x8.5 inches, equivalent to any ordinary book of 450 pages. The book is the result of 30 years study of Dispensational Truth.
Guaranteed to be one of the most sound and unique books you will ever find.
Chapters include:
The Prophetic Word
Pre-Millennialism
Mountain Peaks of Prophecy
The Second Coming of Christ
Rightly Dividing the Word
The Present Evil World
The Dispensational Work of Christ
The Dispensational Work of the Holy Spirit
The Jews
The Gentiles
The Church
The King
The Kindgom
The Spirit World
Spiritism
The Resurrections
The Judgments
Satan
Antichrist
The Satanic Trinity
The Four Gospels
The Seven Churches
The Tribulation
Babylon the Great
Renovation of the Earth
The Covenants
The Mysteries
Types and Antitypes
The Feasts of the Lord
The Offerings
The Signs of the Times
and more!
20But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
This is so clear -- there is one "coming" which will include the resurrection/'catching away' (read the rest of 1 Cor. 15). "Then," Paul says, "comes the end."
Now what could be any plainer?
Every prophetic school of interpretation (premil, postmil, & amil) all taught this until Darby came along! There is not one passage of Scripture that does not fit with Paul's scenario. Furthermore, many other passages also teach that the resurrection (remember: one event with 'the rapture' per 1 Cor. 15) occurs at His coming.
John 6:39;
39This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
There is only one Final Judgment -- at which both believers and unbelievers will appear. The righteous and the wicked are separated at His coming per Matt. 13;
24Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27So the servants of the owner came and said to him, "Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28He said to them, "An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, "Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29But he said, "No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.""'
Notice that the wheat and tares are gathered at the same time, and not some mythical separate stages as taught by dispensationalism.
Matthew 25:31-46;
31"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[c] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, "Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40And the King will answer and say to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
41"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44"Then they also will answer Him,[d] saying, "Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45Then He will answer them, saying, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Note especially the word "then" in Matt. 25:31. It is at this time that saint and sinner alike are judged, the same as in Rev. 20:11-15 (see also Matt. 16:27; 24:41-46; Romans 2:5-6; 1 Cor. 3:13; Col. 3:4; 1 Thes. 5:1-10; 2 Thes. 1:1-10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 9:28; 1 Peter 5:4; 1 John 2:28; 3:2).
The Second Coming is on the same day as "the day of judgment" (2 Peter 2:9). It is at this same Judgment that believers are found written in "the Book of Life," unbelievers are cast into "the lake of fire/Gehenna", believers are rewarded, etc. Different terms do not different judgments make! Rather, such terms highlight different aspects of one and the same Judgment.
Dispensationalism read their own eschatological construct into the Scriptures instead of letting the Scripture speak plainly, and thus twist them to satisfy their false teaching.
I am not talking about a vision of a catholic girl...
Anyone who believe that needs to have their head examined!
I am talking about Clarence Larkin ~~ Dispensational Truths
If you really want to get an education in Christianity, you might look into getting the book.
What "dogma" is that. I said nothing about "dogma". Sadly, you didn't even get the meaning of what was said, which is, your false system of dispensationalism had it's beginning with a vision by a Roman Catholic girl and John Nelson Darby in Scotland in 1830. It's a johnny-come-lately system, and hasn't been around for "centuries" as you presume.
I bet you think John Hagee is a wonderful teacher too, don't you?
You only know what you have been force fed by the false teachings of dispensationalists.
Paul's scenario in 1 Corinthians leaves no room for a "secret rapture" separate from the actual Second Coming:
1 Corinthians 15:20-24.
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