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To: BlackElk
If the Spain of Ferdinand and Isabella had a RTKBA, few of the miscreants would have reached Torquemada's inquiry to be condemned

Yes, they would have resisted the roundup, and many of them would have LIVED.

Tell me, where in the Bible does Jesus authorize the murder of people who disagree with you? Nowhere. Church tradition, on the other hand, regards a sadistic inquisitor as a "Saint". And that's the best argument for Sola Scriptura that I've ever heard. You're convincing me all the more to never set foot in the RC church again.

Unlike Ninenot, your aggressiveness does not appear to be humorous. And that's rather chilling.

BTW, the real Black Elk was a Sioux shaman turned Catholic convert, who saw his people massacred. How do you think he'd feel about your pro-Torquemada position?

112 posted on 04/13/2005 11:42:29 AM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: Rytwyng; ninenot; sittnick
Black Elk, the historical figure, was a lay Catholic missionary to the Lakota people from approximately World War I to his death in about 1945. Since he had the responsibility of catechizing others, he was, no doubt, better catechized than you.

You do not begin to understand the concept of Christendom much less to understand the Catholicism which you abandoned. That may well be the fault of whomever had the responsibility within Catholicism of catechizing you. Nonetheless, you abandoned the Faith (your right as God gave you free will to do wrong if you choose to do so and to pay consequences) when your own idiosyncratic views of Scripture did not mesh with your own idiosyncratic views of Catholicism. Your Irish ancestors would not be proud of your "drinking the soup." On behalf of clans Duggan and Whalen, you are hereby anathematized and stripped of Irish identity.

As to Spain, if they tried to resist under force of arms, they would have died on the spot. You also fail to comprehend Spanish history.

Catholics are not called to be politically correct. If the historical Black Elk had pondered Torquemada, he should have had no problem with him. The Lakota were not slaughtered by, ummmm, Catholics or by the Inquisition. Check the history. Sheridan was not directly engaged against the Lakota. One Catholic who was a genuine military hero in service to the Vatican (leaving the University of Dublin to enlist in the Vatican army against the Masons Garibaldi, mezzini and Cavour) and then to the US Army was the last U. S. soldier killed at Little Big Horn, Major Matt Keough. His body was not mutilated by the Cheyenne who killed him because Catholic Lakota warriors stopped them, pointing out the cameo representing the Order of St. Gregory which fell out of Keough's shirt as the Cheyenne was preparing to slam a hatchet through his ribs. You could look it up in Evan Connell's Son of the Morning Star.

Little known is the fact that, although the original Black Elk was a warrior at Little Big Horn, his career as pagan shaman was still ahead of him and his baptism as a Catholic was forty years in the future.

Still lesser known is the fact that many of the Lakota warriors were baptized Catholics by the Jesuit Fr. De Smet. It was more fashionable in, ummmm, "reformed" circles to regard the Lakota and other Plains Indians simply as pagan savages to be exterminated because they were inconvenient.

Assuming as I do that the original Black Elk understood the concept of Christendom which prevailed in Spain in Torquemada's time, he ought to have approved it. In those days, rejection of Catholicism was treason against the state and punished accordingly. Not a particularly American idea but Spain got along very well with it. In modern times, Franco undoubtedly grasped the concept as you do not. Spain has suffered much since his death.

Once again, we do not have to search for Scriptural orders on whether to breathe. Scripture is one of several sources of authority but the only one acceptable in Protestant circles. Therefore, it is the only one you consult. Therefore, in the absence of clear Scriptural command, you are subject to error in having to either stick your head in the sand or to rely on your unauthorized authority. Why does any properly catechized Catholic in communion with the Holy See care about the head games that you must play with yourselves in order to make a contrived system seem to work?

Unless and until you understand Catholicism, please do NOT set foot in the Catholic Church again. We have more than our quota of people who worship their own imaginings. We need people who comply with the Teaching Magisterium and submit to hierarchical authority. We do NOT need people who make believe that whatever they imagine Scripture to mean and whatever they CHOOSE to believe can be substituted for Catholicism within the Church. Stay right where you are.

BTW, Tomas de Torquemada, O.P., inquired and rendered judgments with his colleagues. The Spanish government of Ferdinand and Isabella imposed the punishments.

122 posted on 04/13/2005 3:21:26 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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