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To: kosta50
Still as petty as ever. Does it bother you that Eastern Catholics were allowed to do a rite, rather than the Eastern Orthodox, considering that the Eastern Catholics are like, Catholics and all, and JPII was like, you know, Catholic?

And when one of the Orthodox patriarchs dies, will our Popes and Cardinals be allowed to perform rites on him?
56 posted on 04/09/2005 7:05:14 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die

not only petty, but outright pathetic. *some* posters seem just so anxious to be offended they have to look for perceived slights. I am sure the Patriarchs of the other Rites are above this pettiness; their service was lovely.


58 posted on 04/09/2005 7:22:07 AM PDT by EDINVA (i)
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To: Conservative til I die; kosta50; Cronos; NYer
"Does it bother you that Eastern Catholics were allowed to do a rite, rather than the Eastern Orthodox, considering that the Eastern Catholics are like, Catholics and all, and JPII was like, you know, Catholic?"

All members of the canonical Orthodox Churches are Catholics, just not Roman Catholics and not in communion with the Pope. It is unfortunate that the term has come to be co-extensive with "Roman Catholic" in the popular mind. There has been an agreement of sorts that the Orthodox and the Romans will refrain from calling the Eastern European churches which look Orthodox but are in communion with Rome "Uniates" since the term is seen as offensive to those churches which wish to be considered sui juris and particular churches within The Church. I suspect this "Eastern Catholic" appellation comes from that decision. From my personal point of view, "Uniate" seems far more appropriate and truthful and the desire of these churches to be seen as sui juris, while being quite understandable, nevertheless is a rather disingenuous denial of their own rather sorry history. They are one of the major stumbling blocks in the way of closer relations between Rome and Orthodoxy in a way that the particular Churches of the Middle East and Orient, like the Melkites and the Maronites among others, simply aren't and likely never will be.
61 posted on 04/09/2005 7:38:16 AM PDT by Kolokotronis ("Set a guard over my mouth, O Lord; keep watch over the door of my lips!" (Psalm 141:3))
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To: Conservative til I die; kosta50

Gotta agree with Conservative, Kosta, you are being petty. We couldnt' invite the EO Patriarch's to conduct the ceremony as they wouldn't do it. We have Eastern Rites in the Catholic Church -- remember that the Catholicos of the Maronnite, Syro-Malankara and Syro-Malabar Churchs are equal in dignity to the Bishop of Rome, so the church conducted the ceremony in the Eastern rites as well. I consider it a big step for the EO to come along -- and they were very welcome.


64 posted on 04/09/2005 7:54:55 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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