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[I kept waiting for Christopher Johnson of Midwest Conservative Journal to address this one, but it looks like he's not going to. --sionnsar]
1 posted on 04/02/2005 9:23:51 AM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 04/02/2005 9:24:39 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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Well, what would one say that hasn't already been said over and over?

Even speculation about why one would issue such a statement seems imprudent.

Anybody else?


3 posted on 04/02/2005 10:17:28 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (Having a human friend is no bed of roses-but hobbits? That's very different. :))
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I'll give a stab at interpreting part of it.

Some of you expressed the sense that we are ready to release ourselves from our past history as a House and our preoccupation with what has been. I share this view.

'We are going to take our ball and go home if the rest of the communion tries to make us play by the rules.'

4 posted on 04/02/2005 10:25:32 AM PST by PAR35
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Q. What is the difference between Frank Griswold and God?

A. God doesn't wake up every morning and think he is Frank Griswold.

5 posted on 04/02/2005 10:50:17 AM PST by N. Theknow
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What total twaddle! Poor man is probably worn out by the obfuscation, avoidance, rationalization and other forms of mental gymnastics necessary to perpetrate this kind of dishonest &^*%&*!!


7 posted on 04/02/2005 12:00:12 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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"I have long spoken of the "diverse center" as persons of different and often passionately held points of view whose over-arching desire has been to walk together as integral members of Christ's risen body in the service of mission to our broken world."

Is there something in the Bible or the Holy Tradition or the writings of the Fathers about the "diverse center" that I missed somewhere along the line? I am, after all, a sinful and simple fellow and quite easily could have overlooked it.

"Some of you expressed the sense that we are ready to release ourselves from our past history as a House and our preoccupation with what has been. I share this view. While self-examination is always an appropriate discipline for persons and communities of faith, it can become an invitation to inversion. Being overly focused on our internal life can obscure our call to be engaged in God's work beyond ourselves. Looking to the past is only helpful if it liberates us and orients us toward our future in God."

To me as an Orthodox Christian this is a most astonishing statement. Yesterday my formerly Congregational wife commented during a conversation with her sister that for her one of the most magnificent and comforting reasons for being Orthodox is that we believe and proclaim the exact same Faith and worship in virtually the exact same manner and with the exact same words as Orthodox Christians have for about 1700 years, but that from that secure history she has learned that in clinging to the Faith once revealed and worshipping the ineffable God, time is quite meaningless.

Past, future and now have no meaning in the Faith, though it may to each of us mortals individually.

Sadly, Griswold and his fellow travelers are simply heretics. These men have developed a new religion, which of course they are free to do. The Church teaches that we are to have nothing to do with them save to pray for them.


8 posted on 04/02/2005 12:10:04 PM PST by Kolokotronis ("Set a guard over my mouth, O Lord; keep watch over the door of my lips!" (Psalm 141:3))
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