Intelligent Design's Contribution to the Debate over Evolution: A Reply to Herry Morris

http://www.designinference.com/documents/2005.02.Reply_to_Henry_Morris.htm ^

[truthfinder9]

The father of modern young-earthism, Henry Morris, made a number of criticisms about intelligent design in his review of the book The Design Revolution. Some of it included the normal accusations of intelligent design theorists of not being faithful to the Bible (i.e. read: "They don't accept young-earthism like we told them to"). William A. Dembski replies in, "Intelligent Design's Contribution to the Debate Over Evolution: A Reply to Henry Morris."

[bondserv]

"Toward the end of my visit, John noted that ID fell short of a full creation model, but then commended ID for conclusively showing the bankruptcy of Darwinism. He was right. As a limited tool for dislodging materialism, developing the concept of design, and applying it to biological systems, ID is the best thing going. I would therefore like to encourage Henry Morris and all young-earth creationists to view intelligent design as a friend in the destruction of Darwinian materialism and in developing the scientific understanding of design in nature." (emphasis added)

Dembski is doing a great Job. I lean toward a young earth because many of the mistakes, including knowing when Jesus would come to die, were a result of allegorizing the text.

The scholars that Jesus continually criticized chose traditions of men over a straightforward reading of God's Word. Good Post truthfinder9!

[bondserv]

Dembski is not a young earth creationist as stated in his article. (Dispelling any confusion my prior post might make)

[biblewonk]

I would never call Henry Morris the father of young earthism, but he sure knows his stuff!

[bondserv]

I would never call Henry Morris the father of young earthism, but he sure knows his stuff!

Henry Morris is a man of integrity as well.

[general_re]

Wow. Two out of two creationists agree that creationism is the best thing since sliced bread. Better wake up the media for a scoop like this.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the ping!

[truthfinder9]

I lean away from young-earthism because it is, at best, a superficial reading of Genesis full of contradictions and based on bad assumptions. A great article on why young-earthism isn't biblical or scientific is here. In any case, ID has naturalism on the run, finally.

[bondserv]

I will read through the link you posted.

Here is a link that has articles from various scientists that are creationists, you may find fruitful.

There is a good commentary on Dr. Ross's model which can be found here.

Here is an audio discussion between Dr. Jason Lisle (Answers in Genesis) and Dr. Hugh Ross (Reasons to Believe).

Thank you for taking the time to point me toward information on your views.

[johnnyb_61820]

The problem w/ Intelligent Design is this:

In order to tell that something is designed, you need to know what the necessary forces are, and the probabilistic model

For most things of complexity, the necessary forces are not all known, and the probabilistic model is shaky at best

If one has the assumption that EVERYTHING is the result of necessary causes, then design isn't even a possibility to be discovered in any object. If one has the assumption that EVERYTHING is the result of design (i.e. some forms of calvinism), probabilities cannot play a role.

Anyway, I wrote a summary of ID that even many on Talk.Origins thought was a good read:

http://crevo.blogspot.com/2005/03/setting-facts-straight-on-intelligent.html

[MacDorcha]

"If one has the assumption that EVERYTHING is the result of design (i.e. some forms of calvinism), probabilities cannot play a role. "

Hogwash. Ever heard of a "gun"? The thing plays with probability all the time. Yes, the more advanced ones ahve less probability, but think of an ungroved canon. You point it at the enemy, and fire. Does it go in the desired direction? It may. Was it created? Most certainly.

[johnnyb_61820]

You missed my point completely.

If EVERYTHING is designed (i.e. God designed how everything would play out throughout all of history), then there is nothing that is outside of design. Even the gun that misfired, it misfired because of design.

I'm not saying that everything is designed, but that your assumptions about the amount of design available will carry into how you interpret design and non-design.

[MacDorcha]

Makes sense, I'll buy that.