Purpose Driven Life

[xzins]

In time past, God overlooked our ignorance but now he commands everyone to repent. He has testified to this by raising Jesus Christ from the dead.

If you acknowledge with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, then you will be saved.

[xzins]

You avoided the question.

Would you have looked the guy in the face and told him "You are totally depraved" and your plan to get out of the situation?

[Revelation 911]

What I posted is all about what the new Zondervan is doing. The old Zondervan and versions of the NIV are fine.

thank you - I was looking for that clarification

[xzins]

Harper Collins also publishes copies of the KJV which are all without copyright and are in the public domain.

Therefore, the real issue is the fidelity of the translation. If it is a faithful translation, then we should view this as God's inroads into an unholy arena where God wants to turn things around.

Where iniquity doth abound, grace does much more abound.

[P-Marlowe]

It was the goodness of Christ being exhibited in her that convicted that guy of being totally depraved and in need of a Savior.

Actually if he was "convicted" it was by the holy spirit and through the word of God. But the point is that you would not have started the conversation with this guy by saying, "you are totally depraved" would you?

You probably would have pointed him to John 3:16 or Revelation 3:20.

[xzins]

I probably would've said to the guy:

"You're totally depraved.....and you have about the ugliest mug I've ever seen, and your mother probably runs out from under the porch every time the mailman goes by."

Designed to get his attention.

:>)

[P-Marlowe]

I probably would've said to the guy: "You're totally depraved.....and you have about the ugliest mug I've ever seen, and your mother probably runs out from under the porch every time the mailman goes by."

Anxious to meet your Maker, huh?

[xzins]

I don't call it "tough love."

I think it'll be remembered as "tough luck."

[pro610]

Correct xzins,
But you do not have to buy the KJV from Zondervan.
You can but the KJV from World Bible Publishers and American Bible Publishers.

There is no reason to buy the KJV from Zondervan

[Corin Stormhands]

There is no reason to buy the KJV from Zondervan

Do you apply this principle to everything you do/buy in life? How do you keep track?

Quite frankly, if someone offers a product I want, at a price I can accept, I think it's good stewardship to buy it there.

[xzins]

In my opinion, this exactly parallels the discussions in Paul's letters about eating meat sacrificed to idols.

Paul sums this entire discussion up with the instruction: "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

If a Christian has reservations of conscience about buying from Zondervan, then that Christian thinks God frowns upon that purchase. To go ahead and buy, given the sense that God frowns on it, is to say, "I don't have faith that God wants me to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway." That makes it sin.

But some Christians could go to the meat market, and even though some of the meat had come from the pagan temples, they realized it was just meat and that idols are nothing. Paul says to them that they could go ahead and eat it. He did ask they do it in such a way so as not to harm a weaker brother's conscience. In other words, don't go flaunt it in church simply to shove your "freedom" down the weaker brother's throat.

Therefore, pro610, my advice to you is that it is sin for you if you buy from Harper Collins.

[pro610]

The difference is that they did not have options between meat from pagan temples,it was the only choice they had if they wanted to eat meat.
In the case of KJV and Zondervan you have options.

Xzins, do you think if they had a choice of what meat to eat they would still choose the meat from the Pagan temple?

Answer= OF COURSE NOT!

[xzins]

They did have choices.

They could eat meat not bought from the temples or they could eat meat simply bought and sold for that purpose.

There is no difference.

If you buy an NIV from Harper Collins, believing as you do, you are committing a sin.

[pro610]

(Corinthians 10:27-33)
But if someone should say to you,"This was offered in idol worship," do not eat it,both for the sake of the one who called attention to it and on account of the conscience issue-not your own conscience but your neighbor,s.
You may ask,Why should my liberty be restricted by another man,a conscience? And why is is it,I partake thankfully,that I should be blamed for the food over which I gave thanks?
The fact is that wether you eat or drink-whatever you do-you should do all for the glory of God.
Give no offense to Jew or Greek or church of God,just as I try to please all in any way I can by seeking,not my own advantage,but that of many, that they may be saved.

Xzins,your right in your thinking,but you never heard me say anyone is committing a sin if they own a Zondervan KJV

The new Zondervan NIV with all the word changes is very troubling to me. I think you may Agree.
Anyway,Thank you for clearing up any misconceptions.

[xzins]

Pro, you have shown sincerity and honesty in my opinion. I think you want to do the right thing.

If you buy an NIV, believing the way you do, it would be a sin for you. You could not do it in faith. There are others who I would say the same thing to.

I'm very troubled by the new inclusive language NIV, and I'll not recommend it to my people. However, the original NIV was a faithful rendition of scripture in my opinion. Many will disagree with me, I'm sure.

So far as Harper Collins is concerned, I understand that corporate America is so intertwined that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that HC is further owned by someone else.....like Time/Warner. And then there's the issue of overlapping boards of directors....we haven't even gone there yet.

I'm glad that those HC folks are printing a version of the King James Bible and the earlier NIV. It is God's inroad into anything they do that is foolish.

When I buy those books from HC, I strengthen those product lines and those product managers within that publishing company.

[P-Marlowe]

Actually since Fox News is owned by the same people that own Harper Collins, it would follow that pro610 would be sinning by watching Fox News.

[blue-duncan]

I don't want to prolong this thread but I was reading "Divine Conspiracy" by Dallas Willard this morning and discovered that it was published by Harper Collins. I just felt this tremendous battle between good and evil; the good being the message from Willard and the bad being this corrupt publishing conglomerate that was making evil money spreading the Word of the Lord. Fortunately the good prevailed and I was blessed by Willard's commentary on the Kingdom.

[aruanan]

She was reading "Purpose Driven Life" as part of her devotions and read part of chapter 33 to him and then asked him what he thought his purpose in life was.

Okay, so it's been good for at least one other thing than making Warren a truckload of money from people who will always shell out money for yet another game plan for spiritual success.

[Corin Stormhands]

I think that's only when Laurie Dhue is reporting...

[xzins]

I didn't see PDL as a game plan for spiritual success.

I saw it as a devotional about reflecting on our purpose in life as Christians.

But, then again, I did read it.