Posted on 02/25/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by Land of the Irish
You appear to be an adherent to safety in numbers. When Muslims outnumber Christians, will you convert?
Just got from the indult TLM.
They're pouring out the doors like never before.
Good. But they wouldn't be "pouring out the doors" at five TLMs at the same parish, every Sunday.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
Christianity 2,015 million 33% (dropping)
Islam 1,215 million 20% (growing)
The SSPX clergy and the laity they adminster to are Catholics.
Just a little aside to your numbers discussion. Just from my observations, Traditional Catholics don't abort and contracept at the same rate as the secular population like other "Catholics" do. Given this fact, they don't need to "recruit" new people for their numbers to grow geometrically.
I don't see why not.
After all, it's happened before.
95% of American Catholics prefer the Novus Ordo and the vernacular.
Well here is a statement made by a New York priest on the matter:
Maida's decision to allow it at St. Josaphat seems in keeping with the spirit of Vatican rules, Reese said. But, "It would be counterproductive if too many people turn this into a marketing strategy to fill churches. The idea behind allowing this mass was that it could help older people in the later stages of their lives. The hope is that this mass eventually will fade away."
-Detroit Free Press (Aug. 3 2004).
So it wasnt the Cardinal speaking this, but the priest implies such.
Preach the Novus Ordo. If necessary, use statistics.
Boy, it's really hard to read that in print. There is something so simultaneously aggressive and enfeebling about it.
On a positive note though, in the Parish where I grew up, where the Latin Mass hasn't been said since probably '62, a funeral Mass was said in Latin on Saturday.
Don't know for sure, but I think the gentleman who passed away requested it. He entered the Seminary way back when, and called it quits just before he was to be ordained. This was back somewhere around '51-52. He ended up marrying and having kids, the youngest of which was my classmate. He taught Latin, English, was very artistic and had a powerful intellect.
May he Rest in Peace.
Man, I love my Latin Mass, I'm really starting to get into the rhythmn (sp?) of it. And in our bulletin today, listed on the back page are a bunch of quotes from various Saints, all part of a Year of the Eucharist series.
Here's one to think over...
"Often, actually very often, God allows His greatest servants to make the most humiliating mistakes. This humbles them in their own eyes and in the eyes of their fellow men. It prevents them from seeing and taking pride in the graces God bestows on them." (St. Louis Marie de Montfort)
About 4 different Priests say the Latin Mass on a rotational basis. One of the Priests has parkinson's just like the Holy Father, and it's really difficult for him to speak. But there he is nonetheless, a definite profile in courage, and a very good Confessor too.
thats a very good quote!
Most children would choose junk food over healthy fruits and vegetables, soda over milk and juice, TV over reading a book, etc. without proper guidance from their parents.
More trashing of the Novus Ordo.
Same old, same old out of you trads.
"95% of American Catholics prefer the Novus Ordo and the vernacular."
Where do you get this 95%?
The TLM is not realistically available to 95% of us.
Probably more than half of us are too young to have seen the TLM.
Many, if not most, of us old fogeys were told by their lying pastors that Vatican II outlawed Latin Masses.
Saying that:
"95% of American Catholics prefer the Novus Ordo and the vernacular."
is a totally meaningless statement.
It is simply not the case that American Catholics are chomping at the bit to attend Latin Masses, no matter how much those who prefer the Latin Mass say so.
My point was, that is not about "preferences" or choice. In the case of food it is about what builds strong healthy bodies, in the case of type of mass it is about what builds faithful holy souls, saints. Our fallen natures will always tend to choose what is easy, what is entertaining and pleasurable even if it is not what is best for us. That is, UNLESS, those that love us, (those that want to see us grow up healthy and strong, and those that want to see that we go to heaven), teach us and guide us to choose what is best.
If the Novus Ordo is so good for souls, surely it will stand up to a little criticism. Why don't you defend it by listing some of it fruits, like the fruits of Vatican II you were asked to list?
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