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Most children would choose junk food over healthy fruits and vegetables, soda over milk and juice, TV over reading a book, etc. without proper guidance from their parents.

More trashing of the Novus Ordo.

Same old, same old out of you trads.

"Trashing" is a subjective word. There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing the drastic changes in the new liturgy and discussing how the current conditions in the Church may be related to them. Do I need to pull out the quote from Fr. Echert on the EWTN EXPERT forum?

My point was, that is not about "preferences" or choice. In the case of food it is about what builds strong healthy bodies, in the case of type of mass it is about what builds faithful holy souls, saints. Our fallen natures will always tend to choose what is easy, what is entertaining and pleasurable even if it is not what is best for us. That is, UNLESS, those that love us, (those that want to see us grow up healthy and strong, and those that want to see that we go to heaven), teach us and guide us to choose what is best.

If the Novus Ordo is so good for souls, surely it will stand up to a little criticism. Why don't you defend it by listing some of it fruits, like the fruits of Vatican II you were asked to list?

"Since cause and effect cannot be seen with the naked eye, and there remains, therefore, conjecture on the matter of cause, I believe it legitimate for Catholics to be able to debate the nature of the cause(s), which have produced the effects in the Church of the present time--many of which are documented. If all aspects of a council are precluded from any such discussion, on the assumption that all aspects of all councils are somehow sacrosanct and divinely inspired, then we do a disservice to the pursuit of truth and a remedy, in my opinion. There are ambiguities and omissions in, and false translations of, documents of the recent council which have been used and misused by certain elements within the Church, with devastating results. Similarly, things never envisioned or commented upon by the council have been carried out, in the name of the council—the radical changes to the Sacred Liturgy, for instance. This has now gone on for four decades; one wonders if this will continue for centuries. It will, if we label those who raise the question as unfaithful, or those who object as dissenters."

Father Echert

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