Posted on 02/25/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by Land of the Irish
“Diametrically opposed”?Allowing a Catholic to have a funeral Mass offered exactly as it had been for well over a thousand years is, according to the Bishop of New Ulm, a “private devotion” that is “diametrically opposed to the theology of the Catholic Church”? Evidently, the Holy Father never anticipated this “diametric opposition”? I realize that post-conciliar seminaries aren’t exactly bastions of vast intellectual acumen, but is this man serious?!
Ping
The Novus Ordo is another religion. It is opposed to genuine Catholicism. At least this bishop admits it.
Liberals like Flynn and Mahoney often grant the widest use of the Tridentine, since they believe in a diversity and inculturation of worship.
"... but is this man serious?!"
He sounds pretty serious to me. IMO,this is another manifestation of the same evil which allowed poofter prelates to move criminal pervert padres from parish to parish.
The agency of Satan is clearly at work here.
I wouldn't go near either one of these guys on a bet.
May God help their sheep.
May God look with mercy upon Mr. Cain and grant him peace.
" Faithful Catholics are denied even the most basic of courtesy and respect "for their rightful aspirations" by Ordinaries ..."
As my parents were buried before promulgation of the new Mass, I have not had to deal with this situation.
I am afraid that I would not have been as patient as the family of Mr.Cain.
What I would have said to that evil bishop probably would have gotten me excommunicated.
I'm waiting for some of these bishops to be excommunicated, rather than given promotions to Rome or easy retirements. (Such as Boston's Bernard Law, for example.)
Ha! You obviously don't live in LA. There is but one--count it--one Indult Mass offered by the beloved Cardinal Mahoney. And, it is only offered three weeks out of the four. Further, it is at a different location each week, all geographically dispersed throughout the diocese. Some "diversity of worship". And his liberal brother bishop Todd of Orange County is only slightly more generous--he allows us one Indult Mass in a tiny--albeit beautiful--chapel in San Juan Capistrano. Hmmm... where is the tolerance? the diversity?
The members of the old boys club take care of each other. They are above the rules which apply to mere mortals.
They kind of remind me of queens on a chess board.
You didn't read what I said.
LOL. I just may use that one!!!
I disagree. Here in the Detroit we have only one indult which was allowed just last year. Adam Cardinal Maida is the ordinary and one of the bishops is a known "progressive".
I also would tend to disagree.
Our progressive bishop allows only one Sunday Indult Mass - in an industrial area of Portland - at 8:00 AM. To reach this Mass from some areas of the diocese one would have to leave home as early as 1:00 AM.
I get so tired of the liberal crap. Our modernist pastor is now using the Canon from the Children's Liturgy at our weekend Masses.
If we had an Eastern Rite, SSPX, or Orthodox Mass within driving distance I would attend it in a heartbeat.
Huh. Maybe rogator and COT didn't either. It would help if you would explain how we all collectively missed your point.
Wolves is a good analogy, as a good number of our bishops behave much like canines. Some even take to dry-humping each other.
Well, with Detroit, its dangerous. I used to pass the church that has the indult (which I think was kept open simply because of the Mass, dont remember the details) on I-75 every saturday and think "man, I hope I don't have to come all the way down here ever". Luckily, the SSPX have chapels in Redford and Armada, which are in close driving distance (half hour to hour and fifteen min. of driving, depending on which one.) The parish here in east Lansing is supposedly too liberal from some liberals (and its a college town!)
This is a lie, perhaps not yours, but it is a lie, nonetheless. I live in Mahony's (not "Mahoney's") diocese and anyone here who wants a Traditional Latin Mass ("Tridentine" is a misnomer) has to get himself to places many miles away, passing numerous novus ordo venues on the way, and if he's lucky, the bishop has not preempted the Mass without warning, having some other ceremony going on there instead.
In the true form of a died in the wool Modernist, Mahony only "allows" enough traditional Catholicism to happen here for him to get face time and be able to make the CLAIM that he provides for the faithful. He does not give us what we have asked for.
Why? Well, if he provided a Traditional Latin Mass at each parish, and the crowds all surged in the doors at that Mass only and not at the others (you and I know full well, that's exactly what would happen), well, would that promote his revolutionary agenda?
There is only one place where a weekly "indult" Mass is offered, at the San Buenaventura Mission at 1:30 pm. Why? Do not even try to go toe to toe on this one with me. I personally know the priest who years ago started offering a Saturday Traditional Latin Mass nearby the Mission at a secular venue. Mahony installed the regular "indult" there to try to lure the traditonally-inclined faithful away from the independent priest. What a criminal!
If Mahony has any chance for his eternal salvation, it's because so many of us are praying for him, because he absolutely refuses to speak with us. I know, I've tried.
That's exactly what would not happen. In dioceses like Washington, DC, where three indults are offered every Sunday, the attendance is decent, but it's far from standing-room-only at any of them.
You have the mistaken notion that Catholics are just chomping at the bit to attend a Tridentine Latin Mass. Let me assure you that they're not.
If the Tridentine were offered in every parish, it would be the most sparsely attended Mass in 95% of those parishes. Only a very few Catholics desire the TLM.
Mahony installed the regular "indult" there to try to lure the traditonally-inclined faithful away from the independent priest. What a criminal!
I thought you were in favor of the TLM? Mahoney offered this indult to try to bring Catholics back into the Church; as it was, they were attending a traditional chapel not in union with the Catholic Church.
There was obviously a need there, and Mahoney met it.
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