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To: Land of the Irish
Nienstedt has a reputation as an autocrat. Conservative autocrats are the absolute WORST at granting the wide use of the Tridentine Mass.

Liberals like Flynn and Mahoney often grant the widest use of the Tridentine, since they believe in a diversity and inculturation of worship.

4 posted on 02/25/2005 5:38:17 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur
Liberals like Flynn and Mahoney often grant the widest use of the Tridentine, since they believe in a diversity and inculturation of worship.

Ha! You obviously don't live in LA. There is but one--count it--one Indult Mass offered by the beloved Cardinal Mahoney. And, it is only offered three weeks out of the four. Further, it is at a different location each week, all geographically dispersed throughout the diocese. Some "diversity of worship". And his liberal brother bishop Todd of Orange County is only slightly more generous--he allows us one Indult Mass in a tiny--albeit beautiful--chapel in San Juan Capistrano. Hmmm... where is the tolerance? the diversity?

9 posted on 02/25/2005 8:04:26 PM PST by nonsumdignus (Is Sainthood your Goal?)
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To: sinkspur

I disagree. Here in the Detroit we have only one indult which was allowed just last year. Adam Cardinal Maida is the ordinary and one of the bishops is a known "progressive".


13 posted on 02/25/2005 8:51:40 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: sinkspur

This is a lie, perhaps not yours, but it is a lie, nonetheless. I live in Mahony's (not "Mahoney's") diocese and anyone here who wants a Traditional Latin Mass ("Tridentine" is a misnomer) has to get himself to places many miles away, passing numerous novus ordo venues on the way, and if he's lucky, the bishop has not preempted the Mass without warning, having some other ceremony going on there instead.

In the true form of a died in the wool Modernist, Mahony only "allows" enough traditional Catholicism to happen here for him to get face time and be able to make the CLAIM that he provides for the faithful. He does not give us what we have asked for.

Why? Well, if he provided a Traditional Latin Mass at each parish, and the crowds all surged in the doors at that Mass only and not at the others (you and I know full well, that's exactly what would happen), well, would that promote his revolutionary agenda?

There is only one place where a weekly "indult" Mass is offered, at the San Buenaventura Mission at 1:30 pm. Why? Do not even try to go toe to toe on this one with me. I personally know the priest who years ago started offering a Saturday Traditional Latin Mass nearby the Mission at a secular venue. Mahony installed the regular "indult" there to try to lure the traditonally-inclined faithful away from the independent priest. What a criminal!

If Mahony has any chance for his eternal salvation, it's because so many of us are praying for him, because he absolutely refuses to speak with us. I know, I've tried.


19 posted on 02/26/2005 12:22:40 PM PST by donbosco74
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