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To: donbosco74
What do you mean by "celebrants?"

There is a priest in CA who received something from Rome called a celebrant (I was told). If I understand correctly, it grants a priest faculties similar to that of incardination in a diocese. The celebrant allows the priest to bypass the diocesan bishop all together. He can operate anywhere in the world and need not inform the local bishop of his presence.

I should add this celebrant made the local bishop furious but there isn't a thing he can do about it. This priest has a traditional chapel.

28 posted on 02/22/2005 12:01:50 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; donbosco74
You're thinking of a "celebret."

A celebret is a testimonial given to a priest when traveling that he is in good standing, with the accompanying request that he be permitted to say Mass. Diocesan priests receive these from their bishops; religious from their superiors; Eastern Rite clerics, traveling through Latin jurisdictions, from the Congregation for the Oriental Church. The date on them should be recent.

Your information is incorrect. Chapels cannot be set up outside the jurisdiction of the local bishop, and priests cannot licitly celebrate Mass in them without the permission of the local bishop.

29 posted on 02/22/2005 12:21:18 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

If I could offer you some tea or hot chocolate, we could talk this over.

It normal times, the rules that were set up for the normal, healthy operation of the Church would be useful for keeping things normal and healthy. As it is, the Church's immune system is attacking itself. This is HIV of the Faith. Why do you suppose that God allowed the menace of HIV to become such a plague? The state of physical health of people in the world is merely a reflection of the state of our spiritual health. We have disease and corruption in our bloodstreams because of A) original sin and B) we haven't learned yet.

All disease and death is here because Adam coalesced. He capitulated. And today, Catholics have been falling in line with the latest ruse out of some shadow of love for the Church and/or complicity with evil. The innovations after Vatican II were a ruse. We should never have sat still and taken it, but we did, at large, so it happened. At the time perhaps we didn't know better. Well, that excuse is used up, the can's empty, so don't bother shaking it upside down. No more excuses in there. All gone!

So first they deprive the faithful of the True Mass, and now they try to convince you that even though the basis of the Faith, the foundation, has been extracted, the legal structure that was built upon it is still operational and is now working to protect the transplanted foundation. And you're buying it. They tell you a priest needs a celebret to offer Mass when the criminals saying so have taken the Mass away.

I don't think so.

Analogy: You go to a foreign country and are attacked by Mohammedans for being Christian. But an opportunity for you to escape arises, and your friend tells you, "But for us to run away would be illegal! We must have a celebret from the imam before we hoof it through the canal." You say, "Well you can wait around for your celebret, I'm getting the Allah out o'here!"

At least I hope you would.


46 posted on 02/22/2005 9:08:02 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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