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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

If I could offer you some tea or hot chocolate, we could talk this over.

It normal times, the rules that were set up for the normal, healthy operation of the Church would be useful for keeping things normal and healthy. As it is, the Church's immune system is attacking itself. This is HIV of the Faith. Why do you suppose that God allowed the menace of HIV to become such a plague? The state of physical health of people in the world is merely a reflection of the state of our spiritual health. We have disease and corruption in our bloodstreams because of A) original sin and B) we haven't learned yet.

All disease and death is here because Adam coalesced. He capitulated. And today, Catholics have been falling in line with the latest ruse out of some shadow of love for the Church and/or complicity with evil. The innovations after Vatican II were a ruse. We should never have sat still and taken it, but we did, at large, so it happened. At the time perhaps we didn't know better. Well, that excuse is used up, the can's empty, so don't bother shaking it upside down. No more excuses in there. All gone!

So first they deprive the faithful of the True Mass, and now they try to convince you that even though the basis of the Faith, the foundation, has been extracted, the legal structure that was built upon it is still operational and is now working to protect the transplanted foundation. And you're buying it. They tell you a priest needs a celebret to offer Mass when the criminals saying so have taken the Mass away.

I don't think so.

Analogy: You go to a foreign country and are attacked by Mohammedans for being Christian. But an opportunity for you to escape arises, and your friend tells you, "But for us to run away would be illegal! We must have a celebret from the imam before we hoof it through the canal." You say, "Well you can wait around for your celebret, I'm getting the Allah out o'here!"

At least I hope you would.


46 posted on 02/22/2005 9:08:02 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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To: donbosco74
If I could offer you some tea or hot chocolate, we could talk this over.

Either would be fine. I like both.

So first they deprive the faithful of the True Mass, and now they try to convince you that even though the basis of the Faith, the foundation, has been extracted, the legal structure that was built upon it is still operational and is now working to protect the transplanted foundation. And you're buying it.

I'm not, believe me. I know that Quo Primum guarantees the right of every priest to say the Traditional Mass. The celebret idea was merely a way to get around the stranglehold the modernists have in the diocesan establishment. If Rome won't affirm Quo Primum, what are our other choices here is America? While I have no problem attending an independent chapel, others who are more rules oriented or fearful do. The celebrets offer some reassurance to those individuals, imo.

47 posted on 02/22/2005 9:16:17 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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