Pope misses Mass, says suffering helps save souls (Pope forgets the lessons of the Inquisition)

Reuters (via Drudge) ^ | 02/11/05 | Phil Stewart

[marshmallow]

I don't like your attitude.

Me and some of my Opus Dei buddies have been checking up on your IP address and we know where you're at. We're thinking of paying you a little visit. Depending on your attitude from here on out, we may or may not bring with us some members of the Missionaries of Charity Special Torture Division and perhaps a handful of angry Swiss Guards, also.

We'll show you what suffering means.

Just shut up, OK? You know way too much. This is supposed to be a secret. Only a small number of Opus Dei special operatives and an elite Knights Templar unit are supposed to know this and here you are blabbing all over the internet.

What goes on in our hospices is none of your business.

[AAABEST]

lol

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Beautiful Icon! Amen!

[Knitting A Conundrum]

lol...and you are sure your handle should be marshmallow?

[annalex]

The Inquisition typically operated outside of the jurisdiction of the bishops, since its purpose was to eradicate particular heresies in the church on Papal orders. It was, for most part, required to cooperate with the bishops.

The pope did not establish the Inquisition as a distinct and separate tribunal; what he did was to appoint special but permanent judges, who executed their doctrinal functions In the name of the pope. Where they sat, there was the Inquisition

[...]

The Inquisitor, strictly speaking, was a special but permanent judge, acting in the name of the pope and clothed by him with the right and the duty to deal legally with offences against the Faith; he had, however, to adhere to the established rules of canonical procedure and pronounce the customary penalties.

That Gregory IX, through his appointment of Dominicans and Franciscans as inquisitors, withdrew the suppression of heresy from the proper courts (i.e. from the bishops), is a reproach that in so general a form cannot be sustained. So little did he think of displacing episcopal authority that, on the contrary he provided explicitly that no inquisitional tribunal was to work anywhere without the diocesan bishops co-operation. And if, on the strength of their papal jurisdiction, inquisitors occasionally manifested too great an inclination to act independently of episcopal authority it was precisely the popes who kept them within right bounds.

(Source: New Advent: Inquisition)

Note that the very fact that the Popes had to urge cooperation means that there was no direct administration of the Inquisitors by the bishops. Which is exactly what we need.

The heir to the Inquisition is extant. I forget which Vatican institution it is now. It is not, evidently, doing much.

[vox_freedom]

Or did Mel Gibson bring all this ugly stuff back?

You really should type in "sarcasm now off" when you say something this outrageous. Otherwise people might take you seriously or indistinguishable for a fool.

[Happygal]

Christ was made perfect through His own suffering. We can only test our faith in Christ through endurance - and that's by going through tough times, and sometimes that involves sickness.

It is at these times we can strengthen our faith in Christ, and find comfort in the embrace of the Sacred Heart.

That's what the Pope meant, IMO.

I think you are reading the wrong message into one simple line.

[Gerard.P]

RCBS? The entire Holy Bible is Roman Catholic. Sola Scriptura is the BS.

[Mike Fieschko]

I would definitely make a very clear distinction between willing and unwilling suffering.

You're correct to do so. Our Lord taught us the merit of willing suffering, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Mark 10:24, Luke 9:23.

What I'm afraid of is not that Catholics will choose to suffer because the Pope makes this statement, but that some people will not be given the choice (as allegedly occurred in Mother Teresa's missions).

Being that concerned, could you supply another source for this happening at her missions? You do have more than one source, since it's that significant, don't you? After all, she did have many facilities and cared for many, many of the 'lowest' in society.

[Campion]

Is there any scripture that supports this? Or is this more RCBS?

Colossians 1:24. RCBS is a company that makes very fine reloading equipment.

[anonymoussierra]

Please read "xm177e2" this is "suffering"total "suffering"thank you Thank you "Kolokotronis"

[anonymoussierra]

[Salvation]

**If suffering is so beautiful, will Catholic hospitals prescribe the full amount of painkillers to patients, or will they withhold a little, just to make the place more holy?**

Why so sarcastic?

[Salvation]

**If suffering is so beautiful, will Catholic hospitals prescribe the full amount of painkillers to patients, or will they withhold a little, just to make the place more holy? **

Why so sarcastic?

[Petronski]

Yours is a hateful, pitiful little mind, isn't it?


I pray for an abatement of your ignorance and spite...it threatens your redemption.

[Petronski]

Your post is akin to a big hunk of idiot-meat, sandwiched between the above two pieces of jackass bread.

Marshmallow made a wonderful effort, but you get my prize. LOL

[escapefromboston]

That was a pretty embarrassing post. Have you been drinking alot lately?

[T.L.Sink]

I'm sorry to see that some (I don't refer to you) posters
are displaying the kind of personal, ad hominem vituperative attacks that enable others to justify their
charges of hypocrisy against Christians. Relative to the
matter of suffering, some distinctions need to be made.
It has always accepted and known that certain types of
suffering lead to great spiritual insights. Read the Lives
of the Saints. Having said that, it has NEVER been part
of a genuine religious faith to believe that gratuitously
or sadistically or wantonly inflicted suffering is anything
but evil. Some types of suffering can elevate spiritually
and some can degrade and dehumanize and embitter. And the
spiritual pontential and condition of the recipient
matters. Christopher Hitchens is vehemently anti-religious
but he is an independent thinker who has supported Bush
and the war against terror - despite his leftist leanings.
And he does so with a humor and irony that are delightful.
When we deal with other human beings we cannot lose our
own humanity by HATING. As Bobby Burns said, "There's so
so much good in the worst of us, And so much that's bad
in the best of us, It ill-behooves any of us, To talk
about the rest of us."

[T.L.Sink]

I'm sorry to see that some (I don't refer to you) posters
are displaying the kind of personal, ad hominem vituperative attacks that enable others to justify their
charges of hypocrisy against Christians. Relative to the
matter of suffering, some distinctions need to be made.
It has always accepted and known that certain types of
suffering lead to great spiritual insights. Read the Lives
of the Saints. Having said that, it has NEVER been part
of a genuine religious faith to believe that gratuitously
or sadistically or wantonly inflicted suffering is anything
but evil. Some types of suffering can elevate spiritually
and some can degrade and dehumanize and embitter. And the
spiritual pontential and condition of the recipient
matters. Christopher Hitchens is vehemently anti-religious
but he is an independent thinker who has supported Bush
and the war against terror - despite his leftist leanings.
And he does so with a humor and irony that are delightful.
When we deal with other human beings we cannot lose our
own humanity by HATING. As Bobby Burns said, "There's so
so much good in the worst of us, And so much that's bad
in the best of us, It ill-behooves any of us, To talk
about the rest of us."

[IMRight]

Is there any scripture that supports this? Or is this more RCBS?

Plenty (see post #6 for examples).

Don't you read your Bible?