Posted on 02/07/2005 11:44:53 AM PST by dangus
"Catholic" schools showing the Vagina Monologues: Loyola Marymount
St. Mary's College of California
Georgetown University
DePaul University
Saint Xavier University
Loyola University-Chicago
University of Notre Dame
Loyola University-New Orleans
St. Mary's College of Maryland
Holy Cross
Mount Holyoke
Boston College
Saint Louis University
College of Saint Mary-Nebraska
(Where is Abp. Bruskewicz?)
Marymount College of New York
College of St. Rose
University of Detroit/Mercy
Marist College
Mt. Saint Vincent
Fordham University
Marymount Manhattan College
St, John Fisher
University of Dayton
Lehigh University
St. Francis University of Penna.
Providence College
St. Benedict College
There are several other school son the list which may be Catholic; these are the only one's I was fairly sure of. But I'm not 100% sure of a couple, like Holy Cross. If anyone spots a school they do not believe to be Catholic, let me know.
Some other schools showing it which I thought *might* be Catholic are U. of Houston, U. of the Pacific, Concordia U. of River Forest, Augustana College, Drake U., Adrian College, Maryville University of Missouri, Manhattanville College, Univesity of Toledo, Bucknell U.
Apparently basketball and heresy correlate well with each other, for some reason. But don't blame the Catholics. The mainline Protestant schools are pretty much all showing it, also: Texas Christian, Miami, Boston U., Syracuse, Duke, Wesleyan, Southern Methodist, Nazareth, Pacific Lutheran, etc.
>> Wow. That's some swipe. I guess "bible colleges" and the Amish are just silly. Who could pay them any mind with those find upstanding US Catholic bishops out there? <<
It's not meant as a swipe, and I would apologize to any Baptists or Amish who took it that way. (There aren't that many Amish who read FR, for some reason.)
My point was not to degrade the Baptists' bible colleges; it's an issue of accredidation.
The problem is that in a lot of specialized fields, you need a degree from specific, well-established accreditation organizations. Catholic universities, often with more than a century's investments in specialized programs, are tempted to compromise their principles to maintain accreditation status. Sometimes they fight; for instance, back in the early days of the Clinton administration, they successfully beat back requirements to teach how to perform abortions. But that was a horrific, sudden intrusion; more often, the accreditation bureaus seduce college by gradually introducing more demands: the proverbial camel's nose in the tent.
To their credit, baptist colleges created their own national accreditation bureau, the AABC (Now the ABHE?) But in too many fields that Catholic schools excelled in, but Baptist colleges often didn't even offer, such an upstart organization would lack credibility in academia.
I would be very happy to see Catholic Universities collectivize their influence and form some sort of national accreditation bureau of their own. With Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College (and a bunch of other great basketball schools :^D ), I think they could just about succeed. But I believe that would be the endpoint of a great purification movement, not the start. The risk is very high, the "wax bees (reference Kipling)" are great in number, and the required unity would be astounding without direct papal oversight.
ORU isn't a "bible college," btw. Neither is my own fully accredited alma mater, but you can bet your sweet bippy they don't engage in mainline foolishness so many Catholic schools have bought into.
Besides, I thought the "research university" didn't exist until Hegel. So why do Catholic universities have this need to be Hegelian?
There are Baptist Colleges that are accredited. For one, check Maranatha Baptist Bible College in Wisconsin. Fully accredited.
Which glorifies the lesbian molestation of a young teenage girl. (Just wanted to make sure you presented all of the facts.)
You're 100% on the wrong website, sweetie. And you need to look up the definition of the word "condone," because you're not using right. That's probably not all you're not using right.
>> ORU isn't a "bible college," btw. Neither is my own fully accredited alma mater, but you can bet your sweet bippy they don't engage in mainline foolishness so many Catholic schools have bought into. <<
Yes, there are many well-accredited Baptist colleges. The bible colleges are the ones which have most famously resisted liberalism, but several well-accredited ones have also, and certainly "bible college" does not equal "only AABC-accreditted".
There are also many excellent, very Christ-centered Catholic schools. I think there are a couple hundred Catholic colleges in the nation' this list includes many of the prominent ones, but there are certainly many others.
And there are many Calvinist, "Baptist" and Protestant schools which have lost their way: Duke, SMU, Boston University, Yale, Harvard, etc. My point was simply that faithfulness is not a function of denomination.
I did specifically refer to "bible colleges," because the name infers (if it doesn't actually denote) that the school's primary focus is on literalist (incorrectly termed "fundamentalist") ministerial studies. I agree ORU doesn't fit this mold. (Why would they hire Anita Hill?) And I also note that "bible colleges" necessarily offer many other disciplines.
Incidentally, as a Catholic, I have taken courses at Regent University's DC extension campus, and enjoyed them very much... but also know that outside of conservative religious and political circles, their degrees aren't worth all that much.
The schools we're talking about are indistinguishable from the Unitarians, in many cases. See post #30 for a list of authentic Catholic colleges.
::Sigh:: I'll never understand why so many Catholics are against "literalism." Is it because you feel it would make the magisterium superfluous or because "it's a redneck thing?"
Antoninus over on another thread is arguing that a fine thing like evolution should never be put in the same category as abortion. I wonder if he's ever heard of "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny?"
(Since this old thread has been revived today, I happened upon your post again.)
Coincidentally, the bible college I mentioned -- Emmaus Bible College -- is in the process of attaining the full accreditation of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools as we speak. I'm confident EBC will never hire a secular professor.
2006 Announced Performances of "V-Monologues"
(according to D-Day, www.vday.org)
UPDATES:
1/16/06: Carlow University, Marquette University off list; added St. Mary's College of California; corrected University of San Francisco e-mail address
1/20/06: Providence College off list
Assumption College Assumption College informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although the college has not said it banned the event.
Boston College
Rev. William Leahy, S.J., President
18 Old Colony Rd., Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone: (617) 552-8000
E-Mail: William.leahy.1@bc.edu
Carlow University
Dr. Mary Hines, president, has informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although it is not clear whether the college banned the event.
Catholic University of America
Very Rev. David O'COnnell, CM, president of CUA, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
College of the Holy Cross
Rev. Michael McFarland, S.J., President
1 College St., Worcester, MA 01610
Phone: (508) 793-2011
E-Mail: mmcfarla@holycross.edu
College of Mount Saint Vincent
Dr. Charles Flynn, Jr., President
6301 Riverdale Ave., Riverdale, NY 10471
Phone: (718) 405-3233
E-Mail: charles.flynn@mountsaintvincent.edu
College of Saint Benedict
Dr. MaryAnn Baenninger, President
37 S. College Ave., St. Joseph, MN 46374
Phone: (320) 363-5505
E-Mail: mbaenninger@csbsju.edu
College of Saint Catherine
Sr. Andrea J. Lee, IHM, President
1st Floor Derham, 2004 Randolph Ave. #F23, St. Paul, MN 55105
Phone: (651) 690-6525
E-Mail: ajlee@stkate.edu
College of Saint Rose
Dr. R. Mark Sullivan, President
432 Western Ave., Albany, NY 12203
Phone: (518) 454-5121
E-Mail: sullivam@mail.strose.edu
DePaul University
Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider, C.M., President
55 E. Jackson Blvd., 22nd Floor, Chicago, IL 60604
Phone: (312) 362-8890
E-Mail: dholtsch@depaul.edu
Fordham University
Lincoln Center & Rose Hill campuses
Rev. Joseph M. McShane, S.J., President
441 E. Fordham Rd., Bronx, NY 10458
Phone: (718) 817-3000
E-Mail: president@fordham.edu
Georgetown University
Dr. John DeGioia, President
37th & O Sts. NW, Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202) 687-4134
E-Mail: president@georgetown.edu
John Carroll University
Rev. Robert L. Niehoff, S.J., President
20700 N. Park Blvd., University Heights, OH 44118
Phone: (216) 397-4281
E-Mail: president@jcu.edu
Loyola University of Chicago
Chicago campus & Rome campus
Rev. Michael Garanzini, S.J., President
820 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, IL 60611-2196
Phone: (312) 915-6700
E-Mail: mgaranz@luc.edu
Loyola University of New Orleans
Rev. Kevin W. Wildes, S.J., President
6363 St. Charles Ave., Campus Box 009, New
Orleans, LA 70118
Phone: (504) 865-3847
E-Mail wildesk@loyno.edu
Marquette University
Steven Frieder, assistant to the president, has assured CNS that Marquette will not allow students to present the V-Monologues on campus.
New York Medical College
Msgr. Harry Barrett, president of New York Medical College, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
Providence College
Rev. Brian Shanley, O.P., president of Providence College, has banned the V-Monologues on campus. In a statement to the college community, which was released to the public on January 19 (www.providence.edu/Administration/Presidents+Office/Vagina+Monologues.htm), Shanley explains that he read the play and found it “not appropriate for a school with our mission. ...First, far from celebrating the complexity and mystery of female sexuality, ‘The Vagina Monologues’ simplifies and demystifies it by reducing it to the vagina. …Second, the description of the play as a ‘new bible’ is an indication that its depiction of female sexuality is meant to displace the traditional Biblical view that inspires the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.” Answering critics who claim such productions on Catholic campuses are protected by academic or artistic freedom, Shanley argues, “But artistic freedom on a Catholic campus cannot mean the complete license to perform or display any work of art regardless of its intellectual or moral content. Any institution which sanctioned works of art that undermined its deepest values would be inauthentic, irresponsible and ultimately self-destructive.”
Regis College
Dr. Mary Jane England, President
235 Wellesley St., Weston, MA 02493
Phone: (781) 768-7122
E-Mail: England@regiscollege.edu
Sacred Heart University
The president's office informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although the college has not said it banned the event.
Saint Louis University
Rev. Lawrence Biondi, S.J., President
221 North Grand Blvd., Saint Louis, MO 63103
Phone: (314) 977-7777
E-Mail: biondi@slu.edu
Saint Joseph College
Dr. Evelyn Lynch, President
1678 Asylum Avenue, West Hartford, CT 06117
Phone: (860) 231-5221
E-Mail: elynch@sjc.edu
Saint Mary's College of California
Br. Ronald Gallagher, F.S.C., President
P.O. Box 3005, Moraga, CA 94575-3005
Phone: (925) 631-4203
E-Mail: rgallagh@stmarys-ca.edu
Saint Xavier University
Dr. Judith Dwyer, President
Warde Academic Center, Rm A225
3700 West 103rd St., Chicago, IL 60655
Phone: (773) 298-3309
E-Mail: jadwyer@sxu.edu
Seattle University
Rev. Stephen V. Sundborg, S.J., President
900 Broadway, Seattle, WA 98122
Phone: (206) 296-1891
E-Mail: sundborg@seattleu.edu
Seton Hall University
Rev. Anthony Figueiredo, Executive Director of Mission and Ministry at Seton Hall University, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
University of Detroit Mercy
Gerard L. Stockhausen, S.J., President
4001 W. McNichols Rd., P.O. Box 19900, Detroit,
MI 48219
Phone: (313) 993-1455
E-mail: gstock@udmercy.edu
University of Notre Dame
Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., President
Notre Dame, IN 46556
Phone: (574) 631-3903
E-mail: john.i.jenkins.1@nd.edu
University of San Francisco
Rev. Stephen A. Privett, S.J., President
2130 Fulton St., San Francisco, CA 94117
Phone: (415) 422-6762
E-mail: president@usfca.edu
And yet none of the solidly Calvinist colleges aren't on the list: Master's College, Covenant College, Calvin College.
You can hide behind the fact that Mainstream Proddie (read secular) colleges have it scheduled, or just face up to the fact that the who's who of RC schools are has it on tap.
Franciscan University? Not on the list.
Christendom College? Not on the list.
Ave Maria University? Not on the list.
Magdalen College? Not on the list.
Mount St. Mary's? Not on the list.
University of Dallas? Not on the list.
Duquesne? Not on the list.
Xavier University? Not on the list.
University of Dayton? Not on/stricken from the list
Marquette? stricken from the list.
This is just a small list ... there are a whole lot more Catholic colleges in the USA. They're not on the v-monologues list.
Never heard of them? So what? I've never heard of "Master's College", "Covenant College", or "Calvin College".
That any allegely Christian college, of any sort would host this piece of pornography is scandalous. Of course, the total apostacy of America's originally Protestant universities (Yale, Harvard, etc.) is also scandalous.
Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
Just so's you know.
Who's who of has-been CINO schools is more like it.
>> And yet none of the solidly Calvinist colleges aren't on the list: Master's College, Covenant College, Calvin College. <<
Now you are using circular reasoning: The "solidly" Calvinist schools are solid. You're eliminating from your subject pool any example which will not pass the test. If you reject Presbyterian, Methodist and Baptist schools which are no longer "solidly" Calvinist, why shouldn't I eliminate from discussion Catholic schools which aren't "solidly" Catholic? And there is a very objective test for "solidly" Catholic: a mandatum. And schools with a Catholic mandatum are *very* solid.
I also would not that none of the "solidly" Calvinist colleges you list offers any doctoral program at all (at least as of the publishing of my 1997 almanac). Not that in any way means they do not have excellent undergraduate programs, but I'll remind you the germ of this debate is the pressures of universities to compromise with worldly influences in the pursuit of a reputation. No program, no temptation.
Excellent... And I'm glad to read of some good news. Thank you muchly :^D.
I'm not at all against literalism! I was using that term instead of the inflammatory word, "fundamentalist" to be positive. Fundamentalist IS a word with very negative connotations among some Catholics; literalist to my knowledge is not. In fact, Catholic apologetics often assert that we are the true literalists. :^D
By the way, several of the schools listed (e.g., Notre Dame and Georgetown) appear to be going through a "sheep and goats" phenomenon. That is, the students are becoming very aware of which professors and student organizations represent "The world" and which represent Catholicism. I'm not sure that's not a positive environment; young adults witness the truth about the secular world, and are prepared to confront it by being exposed to it while they also have very strong resources to oppose it. But that doesn't mean good Christians shouldn't fight against such liberalism; quite the contrary, it should be where they learn to oppose it.
On the other hand, I can't actually condone leaving it to such young people to fight the culture wars, and I believe it is truly scandalous -- in the most literal sense of the world -- that such colleges may appear to parents as being places of safe, Christian refuge. So dn't get me wrong; I'm not condoning the culture of experimentation; only allowing that God can make good even in the presence of evil.
And actually, aside from BC and Georgetown, all those schools have been on the decline, basketball-wise.
An update. Maybe good news.
Notre Dame reviewing appropriateness of controversial play
TOM COYNE Associated Press
SOUTH BEND, Ind. - The new University of Notre Dame president questioned Monday whether "The Vagina Monologues" and a Queer Film Festival held on campus the past few years should be sponsored by university departments.
The Rev. John I. Jenkins, who took over as president of the Roman Catholic school on July 1, did not say he would cancel the events, but is scaling back both events. He discussed the matter on Monday during a speech to faculty members and plans to address students on Tuesday. He said he also wants to hear from alumni.
He told the faculty he worried that sponsorship by university departments indicated a certain level of acceptance. As an example, he said the school would face questions if it were to sponsor a play that was anti-Semitic.
"A reasonable observer would assume that the university is sponsoring an event that, in fact, is clearly and egregiously at odds with its values as a Catholic university," he said.
He said events that are inconsistent with Catholic values should not be allowed at Notre Dame.
After his 50-minute speech, though, some of the faculty questioned him, saying that a university is the place where thoughts and ideas should be challenged.
Margaret Doody, an English professor, said the university should be a place for freedom and that higher education had already been through a period where research and thinking were restrained.
"It was known as McCarthyism," she said. But others praised Jenkins for taking up the issue. Margot O'Brien, who teaches in the accounting department, said plays such as "The Vagina Monologues" had no place at Notre Dame.
"It is a matter of treating something that is evil as good, and that's just wrong," she said. Jenkins said he wasn't surprised by the responses. "People have strong feelings about this and there are strong differences of opinions," he said.
Jenkins, who was a top Notre Dame administrator for four years before becoming president, told the faculty members he supported academic freedom - calling it essential to the university - but said academic freedom has limits.
"I do not believe that freedom of expression has absolute priority in every circumstance," he said. "While any restriction on expression must be reluctant and restrained, I believe that, in some situations, given the distinctive character and aspirations of Notre Dame, it may be necessary to establish certain boundaries, while defending the appropriate exercise of academic freedom."
Jenkins' predecessor, the Rev. Edward A. Malloy, allowed "The Vagina Monologues" and a Queer Film Festival on campus, but did not comment about them. He was criticized by Bishop John D'Arcy of the Fort Wayne-South Bend Diocese for allowing them.
Jenkins said he would allow "The Vagina Monologues" to be performed on campus this year, but only in a classroom setting and tickets can't be sold. He said the film festival will go on, but under a new name - Jenkins said the Queer Film Festival "seems to celebrate homosexual activity" - and with limited content.
"My understanding is there won't be discussion of morality of sexual behavior or sexual activity but rather a discussion of films about gays and lesbians," he said.
"Who is blind like my people?!" alert.
this is sick
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.