Posted on 01/17/2005 6:30:19 PM PST by wagglebee
Ping.
A great response to that idiot Boteach, who also spent several months hyperventilating over the great onslaught of anti-Semitism that was going to be unleashed by Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ." During one of those tirades, Boteach dismissed the Gospels' accounts of the Passion as "crude forgeries."
ping
This quote from Novak concerning Edith Stein is an interesting observation in the middle of the article concerning Pope Pius XII. I think it gets to the heart of the problem with people such as Rabbi Boteach and their need to re-envision history. Some arguments are put forward for the sake of arguing.
Thanks for pointing this out, I had overlooked it.
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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.
When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.
Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.
Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree
I'm glad to see that Senator Rick Santorum is involved in trying to influence the Israelis to return to the negotiations.
btt
Will they EVER stop whining?
* Immediately following the war, Rabbi Herzog of Jerusalem offered his "special blessing" to the Pius XII for "his lifesaving efforts on behalf of the Jews during the Nazi occupation of Italy." At the close of the war, the chief rabbi of Rome, Emilio Zolli, inspired by the steadfast commitment of the pope, converted to Catholicism and took the name Eugenio in admiration of the pontiff. Zolli wrote: "No hero in all history was more militant, more fought against, none more heroic than Pius XII in pursuing the work of true charity, and this on behalf of all the suffering children of God." (Emilio Zolli, "Before the Dawn," New York: Sheed and Ward, 1954).Thanks to the internet, the libel against Pope Pius XII will soon be properly regarded as a malicious urban legend.* Jewish physicist Albert Einstein said, "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth." (Time magazine, Dec. 23, 1940)
...* The New York Times, Christmas Day,1941: "The voice of Pius XII is the only voice in the silence and darkness that developed in Europe this Christmas ... He is the only ruler left on the continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all."
I'm looking forward to his canonization.
fyi
What about the 25 million or so reportedly murdered by Stalin? It happened in the same era and nobody likes to talk about it. I wonder why?
Thanks for the ping! This looks like a good article to bookmark.
Nazis Murdered More Than Jews
Barry Farber
Tuesday, Jan. 18, 2005
So, Prince Harry goes to his costume party in a Nazi uniform.
I’m glad he did it. Really, I’m more than glad; I’m GRATEFUL he did it. Prince Harry opened a window of opportunity for us to set right something that has gone very wrong since the last bullet was fired in World War II. Santa Claus has to do all his delivery work in one night. We have three or four days, at most a week, to do ours.
Oceanographers aren’t much in demand until there’s a tsunami. Vulcanologists don’t get good tables in restaurants until mountains explode. Try to get a virologist booked on a talk show in between epidemics.
Prince Harry, in all his cosmic stupidity, has given us a rare chance to shout forth a few truths about Hitler and the Nazis without seeming odd, irrelevant, untimely or annoying.
Since the end of World War II we’ve allowed the notion to take hold that whosoever stands up and denounces Nazism is somehow merely doing a favor for the Jews.
Why is that spokesman, that statesman, that candidate, that writer regurgitating the horrors of the Holocaust? The supposition has encrusted itself that he’s addressing the Jews, comforting the Jews, currying favor with the Jews, winning over the Jews. After all, isn’t “Nazi” the very opposite of “Jew”?
The answer, of course, is “Of course not.” But a notion, even a diseased one, can do a lot of encrusting over 60 years.
Notice how the media reacted to the photo of the prince wearing the swastika. Did they call Oslo for a Norwegian reaction? Did they call Athens for a Greek reaction? Did they call Belgrade for a Serbian reaction? Their editors would have looked at the reporter as if he were insane had he even suggested such a thing. “Get a JEW, man! Get the JEWISH reaction. Anti-Defamation League! Holocaust Museum! Senator Joseph Lieberman. Don’t bother me with your Norwegians and Greeks and Serbs.”
May we review. Hitler’s first hostile takeover was Czechoslovakia in 1939. His earlier takeover of Austria was no more hostile than the reaction of the head cheerleader invited into the brambleberry patch with the high school quarterback after the Friday night game. World War II started when Hitler broke his promise to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.
We haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
Poland, which was simultaneously invaded by Stalin’s Soviet Union from the east, lasted 18 days.
Then the Blitzkrieg struck in the north. Denmark and Norway were pasted into Hitler’s scrapbook, followed by Holland, Belgium and – the fall without a fight – France.
Rotterdam, Holland, by the way was bombed by the Germans six hours AFTER the Dutch surrendered. Why? Terror was the frank answer. Captive peoples must be tamed.
We haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
In early 1941, Nazi armies invaded Yugoslavia and Greece. Both were conquered.
And we haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
June 1941. With their “Hitler-heiling” arms held high and with arrogance enough to dwarf an alp, massive Nazi forces invaded the Soviet Union and almost took Moscow in that first lunge. The fact that they failed is probably why the rest of you aren’t speaking German and I’m not a lampshade.
OK. So far those nationalities killed, injured, captured and tortured by the German Nazis include Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, French, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Bosnians, Greeks and Russians.
Those are the PRIMARY victims of the Nazis. Let’s now sweep from north to south and catalogue some of the others. Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians were swallowed by the Soviet Union in August of 1940.
The next year, as Nazi forces swept through their lands en route to the Soviet Union, most of the people of those Baltic lands preferred Hitler to Stalin. Still, many anti-Nazi Balts lost their lives at the hands of those whose arms were decorated the same way Prince Harry’s were. Add the Ukrainians, who found themselves in a similar situation.
Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria were Nazi allies. Still, many courageous anti-Nazis in those countries lost their lives to German barbarism.
The German army in Africa under General Erwin Rommel invaded and then fought losing battles for Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Algeria. People in those countries who lost their lives must be included in the final tally of Nazi victims.
Italy, which was one day in 1943 a Nazi ally, the next day neutral, and the next day an American ally, lost a terrible toll to the slaughterers who wore the same insignia that Prince Harry did the other night.
Canadians died in the fight against the Nazis. Australians died. New Zealanders died. Ghurkas died. Sikhs died. African colonials, French and British, died. South Africans died.
And we still haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
Let’s touch down on Prince Harry’s England. As Americans we are still recoiling from the trauma of 9/11. How many Americans are aware that, beginning September 7, 1940, THERE WAS A 9/11 INFLICTED UPON ENGLAND VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE NIGHT FOR NINE SOLID MONTHS! And the inflictors were bombers of the German Luftwaffe, which Air Marshal Herman Goering promised Hitler could bomb England out of the war.
It’s easy to forget that the very FIRST victims of Nazi barbarism were GERMANS. Hitler ruled in Germany for most of the 1930s before he conquered a single foreign country. His infrastructure of jails, concentration camps and torture chambers was up and running when all he ruled was Germany alone. Hitler’s murderers and torturers picked up a lot of training over the years until 1945, but they were skilled enough right there at the beginning. Those early victims were mostly German Protestants and Catholics.
Finally, now, let’s get to the Jews.
In ALL of the countries mentioned above there were Jews who, initially, suffered roughly proportionate to their numbers in the part of the population that chose to resist Nazi occupation. That was the Nazis’ “getting to the resistance.” Getting to the Jews came programmatically later country by country under Nazi control.
The Polish “Final Solution” of the “Jewish Problem” came early, the Danish not until October 1943, the Hungarian later still. But they all came. After all those other targets and victims, the Nazis got to the Jews.
The reason too many people today consider World War II a contest between “the Nazis and the Jews” is that, in spite of all those aforementioned victims of Nazi slaughter, there were two and only two peoples the Nazis murdered just because of who they were. And those were the Jews and the Gypsies. All the others – Poles, Danes, Norwegians, French, etc. – were killed if, when, and as they chose to defy the Nazis.
The Jews and the Gypsies were killed just because they were Jews and Gypsies.
And because there were far fewer Gypsies than Jews, the lazy-brained world settled down on the conclusion that “It was Hitler’s Nazis against the Jews!”
Prince Harry is the least of my targets. Young people from Hitler-victim-Norway in the north to Hitler-victim-Greece in the south and in every single land in between have lost the memory of what Hitler’s Nazis did to their lands, their heroes, their grandparents and their Jews
“Oh, yeah, World War II?” they say. “Hitler tried to kill all the Jews.”
I don’t scold those younger people in countries savaged by Hitler for failing to hate Germans. Any stupid peasant can teach their children who they’re supposed to hate.
I don’t preach the perpetuation of hatred against Germany. I preach the initiation of knowledge about World War II. Go ahead and forgive, like, love, marry and praise those people of the strong democratic Germany of today.
If the young people of countries brutalized by Hitler care to remember what their grandparents experienced at the hands of the Nazis, fine; they’ll make historians happy.
All I ask is that you remember that only about 10 percent of Hitler’s victims were Jewish: 6 million versus 60 million.
The media world scored an “F” in reacting to Prince Harry’s “wardrobe malfunction.” The media said: “Swastika! Hey, find a Jew. Let’s interview a Jew. Preferably a good, articulate, angry Jew. Get me a Jew’s comment, please. Any Jew. None others need apply!”
Thanks for opening up the arena for dialogue, Prince Harry. In your honor, if I’m ever invited to a costume party, I might come as a PRINCE!
Nazis Murdered More Than Jews
Barry Farber
Tuesday, Jan. 18, 2005
So, Prince Harry goes to his costume party in a Nazi uniform.
I’m glad he did it. Really, I’m more than glad; I’m GRATEFUL he did it. Prince Harry opened a window of opportunity for us to set right something that has gone very wrong since the last bullet was fired in World War II. Santa Claus has to do all his delivery work in one night. We have three or four days, at most a week, to do ours.
Oceanographers aren’t much in demand until there’s a tsunami. Vulcanologists don’t get good tables in restaurants until mountains explode. Try to get a virologist booked on a talk show in between epidemics.
Prince Harry, in all his cosmic stupidity, has given us a rare chance to shout forth a few truths about Hitler and the Nazis without seeming odd, irrelevant, untimely or annoying.
Since the end of World War II we’ve allowed the notion to take hold that whosoever stands up and denounces Nazism is somehow merely doing a favor for the Jews.
Why is that spokesman, that statesman, that candidate, that writer regurgitating the horrors of the Holocaust? The supposition has encrusted itself that he’s addressing the Jews, comforting the Jews, currying favor with the Jews, winning over the Jews. After all, isn’t “Nazi” the very opposite of “Jew”?
The answer, of course, is “Of course not.” But a notion, even a diseased one, can do a lot of encrusting over 60 years.
Notice how the media reacted to the photo of the prince wearing the swastika. Did they call Oslo for a Norwegian reaction? Did they call Athens for a Greek reaction? Did they call Belgrade for a Serbian reaction? Their editors would have looked at the reporter as if he were insane had he even suggested such a thing. “Get a JEW, man! Get the JEWISH reaction. Anti-Defamation League! Holocaust Museum! Senator Joseph Lieberman. Don’t bother me with your Norwegians and Greeks and Serbs.”
May we review. Hitler’s first hostile takeover was Czechoslovakia in 1939. His earlier takeover of Austria was no more hostile than the reaction of the head cheerleader invited into the brambleberry patch with the high school quarterback after the Friday night game. World War II started when Hitler broke his promise to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.
We haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
Poland, which was simultaneously invaded by Stalin’s Soviet Union from the east, lasted 18 days.
Then the Blitzkrieg struck in the north. Denmark and Norway were pasted into Hitler’s scrapbook, followed by Holland, Belgium and – the fall without a fight – France.
Rotterdam, Holland, by the way was bombed by the Germans six hours AFTER the Dutch surrendered. Why? Terror was the frank answer. Captive peoples must be tamed.
We haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
In early 1941, Nazi armies invaded Yugoslavia and Greece. Both were conquered.
And we haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
June 1941. With their “Hitler-heiling” arms held high and with arrogance enough to dwarf an alp, massive Nazi forces invaded the Soviet Union and almost took Moscow in that first lunge. The fact that they failed is probably why the rest of you aren’t speaking German and I’m not a lampshade.
OK. So far those nationalities killed, injured, captured and tortured by the German Nazis include Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, French, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Bosnians, Greeks and Russians.
Those are the PRIMARY victims of the Nazis. Let’s now sweep from north to south and catalogue some of the others. Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians were swallowed by the Soviet Union in August of 1940.
The next year, as Nazi forces swept through their lands en route to the Soviet Union, most of the people of those Baltic lands preferred Hitler to Stalin. Still, many anti-Nazi Balts lost their lives at the hands of those whose arms were decorated the same way Prince Harry’s were. Add the Ukrainians, who found themselves in a similar situation.
Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria were Nazi allies. Still, many courageous anti-Nazis in those countries lost their lives to German barbarism.
The German army in Africa under General Erwin Rommel invaded and then fought losing battles for Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Algeria. People in those countries who lost their lives must be included in the final tally of Nazi victims.
Italy, which was one day in 1943 a Nazi ally, the next day neutral, and the next day an American ally, lost a terrible toll to the slaughterers who wore the same insignia that Prince Harry did the other night.
Canadians died in the fight against the Nazis. Australians died. New Zealanders died. Ghurkas died. Sikhs died. African colonials, French and British, died. South Africans died.
And we still haven’t gotten to the Jews yet.
Let’s touch down on Prince Harry’s England. As Americans we are still recoiling from the trauma of 9/11. How many Americans are aware that, beginning September 7, 1940, THERE WAS A 9/11 INFLICTED UPON ENGLAND VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE NIGHT FOR NINE SOLID MONTHS! And the inflictors were bombers of the German Luftwaffe, which Air Marshal Herman Goering promised Hitler could bomb England out of the war.
It’s easy to forget that the very FIRST victims of Nazi barbarism were GERMANS. Hitler ruled in Germany for most of the 1930s before he conquered a single foreign country. His infrastructure of jails, concentration camps and torture chambers was up and running when all he ruled was Germany alone. Hitler’s murderers and torturers picked up a lot of training over the years until 1945, but they were skilled enough right there at the beginning. Those early victims were mostly German Protestants and Catholics.
Finally, now, let’s get to the Jews.
In ALL of the countries mentioned above there were Jews who, initially, suffered roughly proportionate to their numbers in the part of the population that chose to resist Nazi occupation. That was the Nazis’ “getting to the resistance.” Getting to the Jews came programmatically later country by country under Nazi control.
The Polish “Final Solution” of the “Jewish Problem” came early, the Danish not until October 1943, the Hungarian later still. But they all came. After all those other targets and victims, the Nazis got to the Jews.
The reason too many people today consider World War II a contest between “the Nazis and the Jews” is that, in spite of all those aforementioned victims of Nazi slaughter, there were two and only two peoples the Nazis murdered just because of who they were. And those were the Jews and the Gypsies. All the others – Poles, Danes, Norwegians, French, etc. – were killed if, when, and as they chose to defy the Nazis.
The Jews and the Gypsies were killed just because they were Jews and Gypsies.
And because there were far fewer Gypsies than Jews, the lazy-brained world settled down on the conclusion that “It was Hitler’s Nazis against the Jews!”
Prince Harry is the least of my targets. Young people from Hitler-victim-Norway in the north to Hitler-victim-Greece in the south and in every single land in between have lost the memory of what Hitler’s Nazis did to their lands, their heroes, their grandparents and their Jews
“Oh, yeah, World War II?” they say. “Hitler tried to kill all the Jews.”
I don’t scold those younger people in countries savaged by Hitler for failing to hate Germans. Any stupid peasant can teach their children who they’re supposed to hate.
I don’t preach the perpetuation of hatred against Germany. I preach the initiation of knowledge about World War II. Go ahead and forgive, like, love, marry and praise those people of the strong democratic Germany of today.
If the young people of countries brutalized by Hitler care to remember what their grandparents experienced at the hands of the Nazis, fine; they’ll make historians happy.
All I ask is that you remember that only about 10 percent of Hitler’s victims were Jewish: 6 million versus 60 million.
The media world scored an “F” in reacting to Prince Harry’s “wardrobe malfunction.” The media said: “Swastika! Hey, find a Jew. Let’s interview a Jew. Preferably a good, articulate, angry Jew. Get me a Jew’s comment, please. Any Jew. None others need apply!”
Thanks for opening up the arena for dialogue, Prince Harry. In your honor, if I’m ever invited to a costume party, I might come as a PRINCE!
A response to these idiots at this point in time is ridiculous. They don't care about the facts, they have their own agenda.
I wonder why you nevber hear these people mention that 6,000,000 Catholics also died in the holocaust. Maybe the Pope didn't care about them either? After all he should have sent his 30 Swiss Guards to rescue them.
Golda Meir, the first PM of Israel, specifically commended the bravery of the Pope and of other Catholics.
Historians need to turn a critical eye on the Lutherans.
Jews must accept Christ, He is the fulfillment of their Judaism.
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