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To: livius; jmc159; AlbionGirl
Thank-you, Albion Girl for the pictures of PiusX. I have seen other pictures of him, and his holiness shines through.

I have never criticized JPII but I have expressed puzzlement on occasion about some of his actions. I remember when he first became pope, it seems as if he was trying to rein in some of the abuses and false teachings that were being perpetrated in the Church. Now his actions seem less clear.

Malachi Martin indicates in many of his writings and tapes that JPII saw the terrible state the Church was in when he became pope; he saw how completely the Church had been infiltrated by modernists and by evil and he knew that nothing he could do could turn the Church around. M.M. believed that JPII, as a very holy man of constant prayer has heard from God, and knows he is reigning over the end of Catholicism as we know it, not the end of the Church, mind you.
Have any of you read Malachi Martin? Do you give his theory any credence?
26 posted on 01/07/2005 5:45:37 PM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: k omalley; pascendi
I absolutely love his face! And it's because of what you said, his Holiness just shines through. Look at his eyes; just look at them!

Now to your question: the only thing I've read of Fr. Malachi's are parts of his book on the fall of the Jesuits. The reading was unbelievably astounding, both because of what he was relaying and his undeniable erudition. I was in awe of his intellect, and his Christ-like (and what appeared to be natural) evenhandedness, and sense of fairplay reminded me so much of the true spirit and nature of Christ.

Fr. Malachi could be right in his thinking on the matter, he was certainly in a great position to make a solid assessment. And I think Pope JPII is a Holy Man.

But I don't sense anxiety from the Pope. I think he thinks in historical terms, and perhaps views this as one of the many convulsions of the Church, which will ultimately be addressed by the Holy Spirit.

I really try to keep a positive outlook, but dread has a firmer hold on it. You and I have discussed the various experiences we've had with Mass and Ecumenism (sp?), and that's the locus of my dread.

Those Churches are filled, the Traditional Churches and the Traditional Faith are on life-support, if you ask me. I know there are Traditional Churches here and there that boast a decent sized congregation, but they are anomalous, as far as I can see.

And the thing is, the Traditionalists and the NO Congregations have very little in common. Niceties can be exchanged, goodwill, on both sides can abound, but the values of each, and their respective concepts of what Catholicism entails and what it demands of one seem to be drifting further and further apart.

I'm reading a book by Fr. Vincent P. Miceli, S.J. titled The Antichrist, maybe that is what is making me so melancholy, and focused on the dangers the Church faces, I don't know. And finally, K, I wasn't the one who posted the pictures, pascendi was, so your thank you is rightfully his. K, nice to talk to you, as usual.

27 posted on 01/07/2005 6:33:50 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: k omalley
Have any of you read Malachi Martin? Do you give his theory any credence?

No. Believe Malachi Martin at your peril.

32 posted on 01/07/2005 11:03:41 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: k omalley

Malachi Martin was someone who knew the inside workings of the Vatican very well, and who also knew the inside workings of the American Church and the players involved. Windswept House, for example, has an absolutely chilling but very believable plot that involves characters who represent some of the "biggies" in the destruction of the Church (Bernardin, etc.), and it probably is based on reality.

But most of all, Martin was keenly aware of something we have all forgotten about now, the influence of Satan, and how this ancient enemy of the Church is now attacking with renewed vigor because he knows he is almost unopposed.

I've always thought that Martin's theory about the Pope does have some weight. It is certain that, even if this is not the "final" crisis, there is going to be a massive power struggle after his death and the Church is certainly going to be different. Perhaps he could have done something to prevent this, to set it back on course earlier, or perhaps not. But I do think there's a a real upheaval coming. Watch and pray.


33 posted on 01/08/2005 3:44:43 AM PST by livius
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