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Rome's Next Choice? (Future Pope)
Time ^ | 1/10/05 | JEFF ISRAELY

Posted on 01/02/2005 1:59:29 PM PST by wagglebee

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, the chief architect of Pope John Paul II's traditionalist moral policy, has long been a bugaboo for liberal Catholics. But they had stopped worrying that the German might one day ascend to St. Peter's throne. His hard-line views and blunt approach had earned him the epithet of panzerkardinal and too many enemies. Well, their worrying may now resume. Sources in Rome tell TIME that Ratzinger has re-emerged as the top papal candidate within the Vatican hierarchy, joining other front runners such as Dionigi Tettamanzi of Milan and Claudio Hummes of Sao Paolo. "The Ratzinger solution is definitely on," said a well-placed Vatican insider.

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To: antceecee

Wasn't that the role of Cain? Doesn't wash. Christ picked Judas because he had the potential to be a saint. Judas chose not to be one. Likewise, the Novus Order had the potential to bring great fruit to the Church. The administrators of the faith chose to abuse it. Get it?

And don't tell me Judas needed to betray Jesus for salvation to occur. The Pharisess would have gotten to him sooner or later. Judas was the dupe (and the dope).

261 posted on 01/03/2005 4:11:25 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Sorry antceecee, I was directing that post to another poster, not you...


262 posted on 01/03/2005 4:12:33 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
Why do you assume it was a mistake - that it wasn't inspired by God?

Because I believe it has clearly led people away from the Faith. God might allow that but he would never author a plan that did such.

263 posted on 01/03/2005 4:17:47 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Rutles4Ever

okay my son, now go forward and sin no more! : )


264 posted on 01/03/2005 4:19:09 PM PST by antceecee
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To: Rutles4Ever; sinkspur
I wish I WAS sinkspur.

Doesn't everybody wish they were sinkspur?

265 posted on 01/03/2005 5:01:21 PM PST by american colleen
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Why Vatican II was Necessary.
266 posted on 01/03/2005 5:04:40 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: justinmartyr; bornacatholic; Rutles4Ever
In America the traditionalists tend to be extremely clannish, defensive, and parochial. In France you find a much lower proportion of loonies among them. When I made the Chartres pilgrimage several years back I soon found myself hanging out with the French chapters rather than the Americans. They were less likely to spend the entire day arguing about Fatima.

LOL!!!

267 posted on 01/03/2005 5:08:24 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I too have had that same thought and I believe that is exactly what is happening, the Goats are being seperated from the sheep!! No doubt about it!! Those who are keeping the laws of God and those who are not. Thse who are destroying his house and those who are not. Thank You, Sir!


268 posted on 01/03/2005 5:29:38 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: sinkspur

Not a very long list Sinky!!

The page cannot be displayed


269 posted on 01/03/2005 5:30:58 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Well that's your cross to bear, not mine. I wouldn't say that so fast though.


270 posted on 01/03/2005 5:32:26 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Do you have a raddie-traddie filter on your browser? I have no trouble pulling it up.


271 posted on 01/03/2005 5:46:34 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

Of course I have a Traddie filter on my Browser! But it's Raddie!


272 posted on 01/03/2005 6:08:28 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: 26lemoncharlie; Rutles4Ever

If Vatican II is purifying the Church, as Rutles4Ever contends (I think he's right), I suspect you were one of the first ones out the door.


273 posted on 01/03/2005 6:09:31 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur
Why Vatican II was Necessary

Can't you do better than a Deal Hudson publication? Might as well quote Pee Wee Herman.

274 posted on 01/03/2005 6:10:09 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Grey Ghost II
Deal Hudson did not write the article, and is no longer with CRISIS.

If that's the best you can do, I'll stand by the article.

275 posted on 01/03/2005 6:12:22 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur; Grey Ghost II

No doubt I was and I Thank God for that. Your link is your listing of accomplishments of Vatican II and the NO Church.

I read over it, but I would not call these accomplishments, as the empty pews prove and beyond all reasonable doubt. Vatican II and the NO church is a Total Failure. Where are the accomplishments?? I believe that these rantings were proposed earlier in the Churchs' history, but were soundly rejected.

After I watched the Funeral of JohnXXIII on TV and the New Pope Pope PaulVI had been chosen. There were charges then concerning Pope Pauls fathering of an illegitimate child. I recall that very vividly as their was a Women that had come forward and made the charges. There was even then the Rumor that the New Pope would not be the NEW Pope!! This of course was squashed!! Pope Paul VI was installed. The Heresy was maintained.

I am going to reread that article Sinky, I am not as closed minded as you and lived through that time. I therefore know the truth and can now see the reasons why things happened.


276 posted on 01/03/2005 6:59:57 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
There were charges then concerning Pope Pauls fathering of an illegitimate child. I recall that very vividly as their was a Women that had come forward and made the charges.

You are the first person I've ever seen put forward this preposterous charge. I don't believe this ever happened, but, it does further your malicious crusade against the Novus Ordo and Vatican II.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Is lying part of the MO of the traddies?

277 posted on 01/03/2005 7:11:29 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

Why should I be ashamed of nyself, I did not father the child!! This is what the News reports were saying, I had nothing to do with the accusations! I just remember the news reports! I can still remember the Funeral Procession of John XXIII. You see, I lived through this, I remember it so very well. The church was a great part of my life, I am stunned that you cannot remember that, you were 7 or 8 yes! I was nearly in my teens!!

Oh well, it's what was reported and the women did come forward!


278 posted on 01/03/2005 7:34:22 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
I don't believe you. I was in my early teens, and watched the funeral and never remember hearing a single thing about this.

In addition, this would be part of Paul VI's legacy, and there is not a single mention anywhere on Google about it.

Perhaps you were confused.

279 posted on 01/03/2005 7:37:52 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

Seriously Sinky, I am not blowing smoke up the pant leg here. I really do remember it being in the news, on TV. No I don't believe I am confused. I'll do some searching myself, maybe an old News Paper, Printed Copy would be the way to go. I'll check the newspaper archives. I am really serious, no joke!!


280 posted on 01/03/2005 8:36:39 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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