Posted on 01/02/2005 1:59:29 PM PST by wagglebee
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, the chief architect of Pope John Paul II's traditionalist moral policy, has long been a bugaboo for liberal Catholics. But they had stopped worrying that the German might one day ascend to St. Peter's throne. His hard-line views and blunt approach had earned him the epithet of panzerkardinal and too many enemies. Well, their worrying may now resume. Sources in Rome tell TIME that Ratzinger has re-emerged as the top papal candidate within the Vatican hierarchy, joining other front runners such as Dionigi Tettamanzi of Milan and Claudio Hummes of Sao Paolo. "The Ratzinger solution is definitely on," said a well-placed Vatican insider.
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>>What about inviting the celebration of the Eucharistic supper by an excommunicated archbishop? Where does that fall on the continuum of slaps-in-the-face of Christ?<<
No, silly. The archbishop isn't excommunicated. The Pope just THINKS he's excommunicated, but the Pope can't REALLY excommunicated because he doesn't have the authority to excommunicate anyone. For him to REAALY be excommunicated, he'd have to say that the Pope doesn't have the power to excommuincate anyone, so since he hasn't said the Pope can't excommunicate him, he can assert that the Pope can't excommunicate him. The Pope would know this if he weren't an idolator (read post 167 to read UR condemn the Pope as an idolator). But the poor Pope doesn't know any better because he is not in grace, since he attends a mass, which according to the SSPX's web site is not only insufficient for Sunday obligation, but which is actually a sin of commission to attend.
So although the Pope is prcclaiming false doctrine, worshipping false Gods, and hasn't been to weekly mass in years, he is still the Pope, we can't be sedevacantists so we have to respect the Pope's authority even though he has none since he is under the domination of Satan himself.
/sarcasm.
SSPX believes that by denying the conclusions of a syllogism, they can still assert the givens and the logic of the syllogism and not be held responsible for the syllogism. They know that they lose any authority if they are outside the Church, so they scream bloody blue murder that the are not outside the church even while they assert that the "Church" is not the "true Church."
Here's a page, from one of my favorite sites, detailing the genealogy of Cardinal Schönborn's family. For the Cardinal himself, scroll down about two thirds of the way to (2g). I'll let you know if I figure out how he's related to the Habsburgs.
"I disagree with you about this. In dioceses where the indult is generously offered, the numbers at the Tridentine Mass are still relatively small."
Where's your evidence for this? Most such Masses are filled to overflowing. Vocations are up. The FSSP had to build and expand a new seminary in Nebraska. The SSPX now numbers over 450 priests--and is also expanding its seminaries. All traditionalist priests are stretched thin over a wide territory. Their parishes keep expanding--despite hostility from local ordinaries. Where are your statistics showing otherwise?
"Did they have excommunicated archbishops?"
Sure, St. Athanasius--and he saved the faith, despite a weak pope.
>>"If we, or an angel come down from Heaven, should preach a gospel other than what I have already preached to you, let him be anathema!"<<
If the Pope is preaching the gospel authentically, then this sentence does not apply to the conversation. If he is not, then this sentences establishes that he is anathema.
So, either UR is a sedavacantist, in spite of his protests that he is not, or the Pope is preaching the authentic gospel.
>>No. My mistake. I meant the Cleveland guy.<<
Please don't Pilla-ry Rigali! :^D
What separates Lefebvre from Martin Luther?
You're right, and God Bless you for the fortitude it takes to get in their face.
And you know what, even though I'm not in any position to get in anyone's face about anythinig, because I jumped ship many years ago, and then returned. I wouldn't listen to someone like me, so I'm assuming the people in power wouldn't either. But I did come to the conlusion that they would love nothing better than to eradicate my species, but I'm not going to aid and abet their efforts by jumping ship again.
And I've also decided to be as generous as I can with donations to the current Church I attend, whose head Priest I admire very much, and whose efforts in keeping the Faith I want to support.
How many times when I have the desire to speak up but know I cannot in good conscience do so, do I recall my Mother's admonition that a good name, a name associated with honor, is of greater value than the title King.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea massima culpa.
Silly question, but isn't Maria Walpurga a Hapsburg? Or is that a different Maria Walpurga?
"I disagree strongly with the characterization of the N.O. as invalid, or that Vatican II was inspired by Lucifer."
You are badly informed if you think the SSPX believes the NO is invalid. It does believe it is dangerous to the faith since it is gradually making Protestants out of Catholics. Whether it's inspired by Lucifer or not--I'll leave that to others to decide, though Paul VI did complain about the smoke of Satan penetrating the sanctuary. He never fully connected the dots--though he may have had a clue. He exiled Bugnini, after all--for freemasonry.
So although the Pope is prcclaiming false doctrine, worshipping false Gods, and hasn't been to weekly mass in years, he is still the Pope, we can't be sedevacantists so we have to respect the Pope's authority even though he has none since he is under the domination of Satan himself.
Love it. Did you help write the tax code? ;-)
No, the Old Catholics is an inappropriate analogy, though it's comforting to people like you. A better analogy would be the small remnant led by St. Athanasius during the Arian crisis when the whole Church succumbed to novel doctrines.
No, the diet it was given post Vatican II was poisonous to the faith.
And the SSPX has a world-wide membership of one million. What's that as a percentage of one billion?
Ah. Yes. You are correct. Should I ignore SSPX.org's handy flyer: "62 reasons why Catholics cannot in conscience attend the Novus Ordo Missae"?
Can you explain this?
If you think Vatican II was ordained by Heaven, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Where do you get such nonsense? Vatican II was no more inspired by God than the mess that followed. Jesus gave us the means to determine what comes from God: a good tree produces good fruits and a bad tree produces bad fruits. Where are the good fruits of this council? Name one.
You know what I've found? Priests, even radical left-wing heretics, respect the criticisms of people they see at daily mass better than the Sunday-only crowd. I used to go to daily mass at a different (more conservative) parish than my own*, until I noticed that fact.
(*I figure that if the Church instructs us to go to our own parish, it's God's will I attend that parish for Sunday mass, unless that parish may conduct invalid Eucharists. Fortunately, I have never lived in such a parish.)
I don't see how something without a single good result could be inspired by God. How can something, that from it's inception, has lead so many people away from God, be inspired by Him? Does God make mistakes?
Cardinal Rouco brought back a lot of traditional devotions (vigil of the Immaculate Conception, etc.) that Madrileños love and has overseen the rebuilding of the Cathedral, which was destroyed by a fire several years ago. The diocesan newspaper is very orthodox, intelligently written and widely read, and he seems to have a lot of youth activities going on. The diocese has a decent number of ordinations, not like some other more liberal Spanish dioceses (Cataluña, for example), which have very few. He's a Papal loyalist, but is not afraid to state his own positions regarding the diocese and Spain in general.
I don't think he's well known in Rome; that is, he's a fairly recent Cardinal, and he hasn't held a position there. However, many of the other "candidates" haven't either.
>> Love it. Did you help write the tax code? ;-)<<
Actually, I did. At least, I had my little input into the tax examiner's manual. I worked in the IRS for two seasons, and routinely complained about the manual. Several of my proposals were issued as updates. :^D
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