[pascendi]

Is complete and total subordination to the true Faith necessary for personal sanctity and thus for all social order?

Yes.

Is every aspect of a nation's life meant to permeated by Catholicism without any exception whatsoever?

Yes.

[nickcarraway]

BUMP

[kjvail]

Very nice, dovetails with some other discussions we have had the past few days. Even when the imbedded essay was written the author could tell the freemasonary inspired constitutional order was unsustainable and we are paying the price today. The only answer is the restoration of Christendom under the Social Reign of Christ the King.

[HarleyD]

"The first stage of Protestantism was to place religion under the charge of the civil government. The Church was condemned, among other reasons, for the control it exercised over princes and nobles...

You agree the Church should dictate government???

”The second stage in Protestantism is to reject, in matters of religion, the authority of the temporal government, and to subject religion to the control of the faithful. This is the full recognition in matters of religion of the democratic principle.”

You agree we should give up democratic principles???

”The third and last stage of Protestantism is Individualism.”

You agree we should give up individualism???

This is nothing more than Socialism wrapped in another bandage and was never what the church was intended to be. Reading about Augustine’s history I recall how he was fearful of going into a town for he feared the people would make him a bishop (which is what happened). The people decided who would be their bishop-not the Church.

”Orestes Brownson was correctly assessing the state of contemporary events and predicting what would happen in the future if the Catholic Faith was not recognized as the only basis of personal sanctity and hence of all social order.”

Please. Put away the piety. The author sounds like he longs for the medieval ages when the Church could interpret the scriptures to suit their “social order” or finance their schemes.

[Aliska]

Was Our Lady of Guadalupe wrong to have brought about the conversion of so many millions of people to the true Faith?

Of course not. I believe this particular one is a legend that got out of hand. I did some research on it, and some catholic scholars as well as one who was in charge of the shrine said that it wasn't true. Of course, the church sidelined the one. There is a book about it written by a catholic scholar and priest that I had on loan. I don't know what became of him.

I do think it is wrong to convert ignorant people using stories taken literally that probably aren't true. There are some serious questions and discrepancies about this particular catholic cult.

I don't know if the following one is really true or not either, but it did happen more recently:

This one has a little more credibility with me, but of course I don't know what really happened at Fatima:

Miracle of the Doves

This one would have involved the old mass, too.

I don't like to be a scoffer, but I am a stickler for the truth as best as I can determine what it is.

I don't know if I should leave that page up much longer. Hardly anybody ever looks at it, and I not much of a promoter of material I post on the net.

[Romulus]

The only Mass offered in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church at that time was the Immemorial Mass of Tradition.

I don't know how Drolesky can put his name to something so ahistorical and meaningless.

At some point, militant triumphalism tips over into self-worship.

[RnMomof7]

Our Lady is the Mother of the Word

I hate to nit pick, but the WORD is self existent and eternal . Mary was the mother of the word made flesh

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The word created Mary , He was not dependent on Mary for existence

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Bookmarking for a later read...AskSt.Philomena...please add me to your 'ping' list. Thanks.

PaMom

[Salvation]

American Catholic’s Saint of the Day

December 12, 2006

Our Lady of Guadalupe

The feast in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe goes back to the sixteenth century. Chronicles of that period tell us the story.

A poor Indian named Cuauhtlatohuac was baptized and given the name Juan Diego. He was a 57-year-old widower and lived in a small village near Mexico City. On Saturday morning, December 9, 1531, he was on his way to a nearby barrio to attend Mass in honor of Our Lady.

He was walking by a hill called Tepeyac when he heard beautiful music like the warbling of birds. A radiant cloud appeared and within it a young Native American maiden dressed like an Aztec princess. The lady spoke to him in his own language and sent him to the bishop of Mexico, a Franciscan named Juan de Zumarraga. The bishop was to build a chapel in the place where the lady appeared.

Eventually the bishop told Juan Diego to have the lady give him a sign. About this same time Juan Diego’s uncle became seriously ill. This led poor Diego to try to avoid the lady. The lady found Diego, nevertheless, assured him that his uncle would recover and provided roses for Juan to carry to the bishop in his cape or tilma.

When Juan Diego opened his tilma in the bishop’s presence, the roses fell to the ground and the bishop sank to his knees. On Juan Diego’s tilma appeared an image of Mary as she had appeared at the hill of Tepeyac. It was December 12, 1531.

Comment:

Mary's appearance to Juan Diego as one of his people is a powerful reminder that Mary and the God who sent her accept all peoples. In the context of the sometimes rude and cruel treatment of the Indians by the Spaniards, the apparition was a rebuke to the Spaniards and an event of vast significance for Native Americans. While a number of them had converted before this incident, they now came in droves. According to a contemporary chronicler, nine million Indians became Catholic in a very short time. In these days when we hear so much about God's preferential option for the poor, Our Lady of Guadalupe cries out to us that God's love for and identification with the poor is an age-old truth that stems from the Gospel itself.

Quote:

Mary to Juan Diego: “My dearest son, I am the eternal Virgin Mary, Mother of the true God, Author of Life, Creator of all and Lord of the Heavens and of the Earth...and it is my desire that a church be built here in this place for me, where, as your most merciful Mother and that of all your people, I may show my loving clemency and the compassion that I bear to the Indians, and to those who love and seek me...” (from an ancient chronicle).