Posted on 12/14/2004 1:55:17 PM PST by Salvation
Thank you so much for these quotes in order!
Dom,
I have to get to work. I will get back with you as soon as I can.
Peace
"The author is sloppy, but is not contradict Church doctrine."
Kind of like giving a kid a cookie with a chocolate chip laced with arsenic. It's not completely okay, but it is mostly alright. However it may make you sick for a while.
This is huge part of the problem Dom. You water it down enough and the next thing you know the real doctrine is nowhere to be found and one ends up starving for real Truth. This is the "apologetcis method" of the Modernists.
I liked this part of that article:
"The body of Christ is not only ON the table, but AT the table and AROUND the table."
Well, I suppose I am the Eucharist right? No, I mean, WE are the Eucharist! Okay, I get it now. He is on the Altar, er--sorry, TABLE, but He is also present as us in the assembly!
So, should I respond to "The Body of Christ" when I receive communion with "I am!"???
Shoot, I could get some buds to go down to the Pizza Hut for some pepperoni and brew! Why go to Mass if I/we are the Body of Christ? I can give thanks to God right there----since I/we are Him.
Oh, and take that silly tabernacle out of the main nave of the Church. Kind of redundant to have the "consecrated bread" in here since I/we are "consecrated bread" ourselves.
Dom, you know I am being sarcastic but do you see what I mean? The stuff in these things really is so goofy in many ways. You are looking for specifics. I would be happy to share something with you about one of the other Updates.
Would you like to take this up privately like I asked Dom?
Jesus is NOT present the same way where two or three are gathered in His name as he is in the Sacred Host and Precious Blood.
From Ecclesia de Eucharistia:
10. In various parts of the Church abuses have occurred, leading to confusion with regard to sound faith and Catholic doctrine concerning this wonderful sacrament. At times one encounters an extremely reductive understanding of the Eucharistic mystery. Stripped of its sacrificial meaning, it is celebrated as if it were simply a fraternal banquet. Furthermore, the necessity of the ministerial priesthood, grounded in apostolic succession, is at times obscured and the sacramental nature of the Eucharist is reduced to its mere effectiveness as a form of proclamation. This has led here and there to ecumenical initiatives which, albeit well-intentioned, indulge in Eucharistic practices contrary to the discipline by which the Church expresses her faith. How can we not express profound grief at all this? The Eucharist is too great a gift to tolerate ambiguity and depreciation.
13. By virtue of its close relationship to the sacrifice of Golgotha, the Eucharist is a sacrifice in the strict sense, and not only in a general way, as if it were simply a matter of Christ's offering himself to the faithful as their spiritual food. The gift of his love and obedience to the point of giving his life (cf. Jn 10:17-18) is in the first place a gift to his Father. Certainly it is a gift given for our sake, and indeed that of all humanity (cf. Mt 26:28; Mk 14:24; Lk 22:20; Jn 10:15), yet it is first and foremost a gift to the Father: “asacrifice that the Father accepted, giving, in return for this total self-giving by his Son, who 'became obedient unto death' (Phil 2:8), his own paternal gift, that is to say the grant of new immortal life in the resurrection”.
In giving his sacrifice to the Church, Christ has also made his own the spiritual sacrifice of the Church, which is called to offer herself in union with the sacrifice of Christ. This is the teaching of the Second Vatican Council concerning all the faithful: “Taking part in the Eucharistic Sacrifice, which is the source and summit of the whole Christian life, they offer the divine victim to God, and offer themselves along with it”.
27. At various times in the two-thousand-year history of the People of the New Covenant, the Church's Magisterium has more precisely defined her teaching on the Eucharist, including its proper terminology, precisely in order to safeguard the apostolic faith with regard to this sublime mystery. This faith remains unchanged and it is essential for the Church that it remain unchanged.
Dominick, notice how JPII over and over again focuses on the SACRIFICE of Holy Mass? How many times do you see this in any of the Catholic Updates? He even says, "At times one encounters an extremely reductive understanding of the Eucharistic mystery. Stripped of its sacrificial meaning, it is celebrated as if it were simply a fraternal banquet." Yet, the "fraternal banquet" understanding of Holy Mass IS the focus of these Updates.
He also says, "The Eucharist is too great a gift to tolerate ambiguity and depreciation."
"Abiguity and depreciation". Hmmmm. Could that also per chance mean "sloppily written" as you say?
I am sorry. It is my contention that "watered down" and "sloppily written" catechetical materials, like many of these Catholic Updates and other material, directly leads one into heresy.
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