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Mathematics bombshell: God 'confirmed in Bible'
World Net Daily ^ | December 12, 2004

Posted on 12/12/2004 3:07:51 AM PST by The Loan Arranger

For a lot of people, the Bible and mathematics are dry subjects, but not for Edwin Sherman – he believes he's found how the two fit together.

Sherman, founder of the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society and a professional mathematician, is convinced that the Hebrew Bible contains coded messages that are evidence of God's authorship of the Bible. His book, "Bible Code Bombshell: Compelling Scientific Evidence that God Authored the Bible," describes numerous examples of encoded phrases and sentences that are both lengthy and relevant to the text where they were found.

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To: D Edmund Joaquin; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; HarleyD

""tents of Shem" implies a school of teaching..."

Yes, and there are some who say that Abraham was "schooled" by Shem. Genealogies do not support the possibility of this, of course; just one reason why genealogies in the Bible are important. It puts things in chronological order, and puts the lie to spurious teachings. Understanding such as yours in explaining "tents of Shem" are also helpful.


141 posted on 12/12/2004 3:16:51 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: concretebob
19.5 also happens to be a constant value used in computing trajectories

The Gravitational force of the Earth upon an object is 19.5 Newtons.

142 posted on 12/12/2004 3:25:32 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: Jeff Gordon

hey- what was charltons number in ben hur when he was a galley slave. I thought it was 42 also-more proof?


143 posted on 12/12/2004 3:27:34 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: goldstategop; concretebob
The word of God is both plain and also full of secrets.

Daniel 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

When the testimonies of the two witnesses of the Law and the Prophets are silenced, there will be a "surprise" third witness to come forward. That would be the Kethuvim, which of course, includes the book of Daniel.

While the book of Daniel is generally a record of visions (Daniel being more or less the mystified passive observer), there are certain portions where Daniel himself prophecies. Notably, when he interprets the dreams/visions of the rulers of Babylon.

And that's a good one. After all, here was Daniel, famed for having the inside scoop on the wisdom of God, and was an interpreter of dreams ala Joseph, yet he was confounded at the visions. Now if Daniel was confused, who could understand this stuff?

Daniel 12

8. And I heard, but I did not understand; then I said, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things:

9. And he said, Go your way, Daniel; for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end:

10. Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand:

If the Scripture itself states that certain understanding is hidden until a future date, who is man to say that there is nothing hidden in Scripture? It's not like that's the only example.

That all said, there is so much hocus-pocus in that which is claimed to be "Bible Codes", that the seekers are left with the same responsibility everyone else has - to read the Scripture for themselves to see if what the scholars say is true. Otherwise, how are they going to sort fact from fiction?

144 posted on 12/12/2004 3:28:41 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: concretebob
Sorry, couldn't resist..it was just sitting there, looking at me.

How about this?

7 x 6 = 42
4 x 6 = 24

7 - 4 = 3

145 posted on 12/12/2004 3:31:52 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: samtheman
Remember, we are not discussing the message of the bible, but rather a claim that using some sort of voodoo statistics (in my view, anyway) on the frequency of letters in the bible we can prove the inerrancy of the textual message of the bible.

Well the opening of the article states "...is convinced that the Hebrew Bible contains coded messages that are evidence of God's authorship of the Bible. His book, "Bible Code Bombshell: Compelling Scientific Evidence that God Authored the Bible," describes numerous examples of encoded phrases and sentences that are both lengthy and relevant to the text where they were found."

Kinda makes your statement looking more like "an answer looking for a problem to have" in my estimation. Though I've no doubt your statements are applicable to some popular ideas that have been promoted lately, I really don't think they are relevant to the thesis of the book if the openning paragraph is the statement of that thesis.

And in Biblical Area 51 I feel much freer to post my skepticism.

Is not one of the biblical definitions of "foolishness" giving an answer before knowing a matter?

146 posted on 12/12/2004 4:38:24 PM PST by papertyger
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To: The Loan Arranger

I was listening to the radio the other day while cooking. Another mathemetician was saying that if you assign numerical values to the hebrew letters and convert them to music.

They played a couple of clips and it was quite beautiful.


147 posted on 12/12/2004 4:47:09 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: sasportas

God is not a politician who leaves behind a body of work to be interpreted by a bunch of lawyersm - a living, breathing Bible, if you will.

Anybody who believes such baloney is pushing blasphemy.


148 posted on 12/12/2004 4:52:06 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: TalBlack

That in itself is a formula, so you prove my point. And I notice you put "formulae" in quotes, its the plural incase you were wondering.


149 posted on 12/12/2004 5:15:57 PM PST by puppetz
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To: cyncooper
That's a matter of faith, not fact. There is no empirical proof. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is no way to prove it, and anyway proving it is not the point. I think its a futile exercise to "prove" the existance of God. If you have faith, everything around us is proof. If you are not a believer, nothing will convince you. I respect the belief, but saying something doesn't make it so. If you believe it, be happy with that. Why bother to "prove" it to people. Its either self-evident or not. Some crackpot code would be the last thing to convince anyone.

sorry, but my opinion this crap is all to sell books to the gullible. Its meaningless.

150 posted on 12/12/2004 5:19:05 PM PST by puppetz
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To: mabelkitty
That my friend, is where you are wrong.

God specifically instructed Enoch to write down everything that was going on before the Flood, and make three copies, and then hide all three in different locations, in different types of structures, so the information would be there.

151 posted on 12/12/2004 5:47:50 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Jeff Gordon
2x9=18 1+8=9

3x9=27 2+7=9

4x9=36 3+6=9

and it works all the way to infinity. But it's the only number that does.

152 posted on 12/12/2004 5:51:51 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
My only problem with that is, the translations which we have today, are from ancient texts, translated with the assistance of powers with an agenda.

Had the Book of Enoch been included in the original Torah, or Old Testament, chances are we'd be hearing very different Bible stories in Sunday School today.

But how do you explain the presence of beings that were "ancient" in the time of Noah?

The more that is kept hidden, the more people will fail to see the Truth.

That is lucifer's mission on Earth. To keep the Truth of God's Word from man.

"All that is, has been, all that has been, will be once more."

and my personal favorite

"All that is hidden, is made known"

2 Thes 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie .."

We either take the Bible literally, or figuratively.

Most of the time, it's pretty apparent when to apply figurative interpretations.

So when the Bible says, "There is nothing new under the sun." I take that literally, as well as the "all that is hidden.." passage, and the "All that is, has been..." passage.

153 posted on 12/12/2004 6:08:57 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: puppetz

"That in itself is a formula, so you prove my point. And I notice you put "formulae" in quotes, its the plural incase you were wondering.'

Advising me that "formulae" is the plural indicates that you have either aa oddly high opinion of yourself or a low opinion of the sort of person found on FR.

Formulae are not applied to the Bible codes. A simple formula is. The SIMPLEST actually. THAT was one of MY points, but it seems to have managed to clear even that lofty intellect of yours.

Crack a book on the subject. I recommend Drosnins two tomes (That means "book"). You'll learn how simple and compelling the codes are. And you may even develop a feel for what words the avarage sort of jackass freeper might be familiar with.


154 posted on 12/12/2004 6:22:28 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

Hello---we make our points resepctfully, here.


155 posted on 12/12/2004 6:25:05 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: TalBlack

hey you're the one quoting words oddly, not me
I figured you thought I misspelled it
wtf is the reason you quoted it?
btw you seem awfully defensive there sporty ;)
somebody been ribbing you about your vocabulary? (or lack thereof?)


156 posted on 12/12/2004 6:44:03 PM PST by puppetz
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To: puppetz

I would say that anyone who thinks "formulae" needs to be explained to anyone else over the age of 14 is effing stupid. IS that clear enough for you, genius?

What do you do next, explain what the meaning of "is" is?

The word in quotes is explained in the posts. The first in it's context and the second specifically.

In the first I was drawing attention to the word AS THE PLURAL to point out that THE PLAURAL (I believe) doesn't apply.

I did it SPECIFICALLY in the second post AND I'M DOING IT AGAIN NOW!

WTF else do you need? Sheesh!


157 posted on 12/12/2004 7:03:13 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack
Calm down.
Take a deep breath.
No need to shout.
You seem quite put out, I think maybe you are just a leetle too involved in netforums, eh? ;)
Its ok not to know something, its no shame and I wasn't making fun of you for not knowing. Don't be so defensive and quick to take offense. Maybe take some time and visit meatworld for a bit and get back in touch with reality.
158 posted on 12/12/2004 7:21:04 PM PST by puppetz
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To: Miss Marple

You obviously didn't read the book.


159 posted on 12/12/2004 7:32:18 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

BTTT for later read.


160 posted on 12/12/2004 7:35:45 PM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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