Posted on 12/09/2004 10:15:01 PM PST by Salvation
Sola scriptura is a bit like building a house by reading a book and trying to do it yourself.
The house you live in is the result of generations of our ancestors knowledge using materials from all over the world. Even just one element - the concrete for example - is the result of the handiwork of thousands of nameless workers as is the steel, the polymers etc.
It is then built using these materials by skilled teams of workers and craftsmen with several lifetimes of combined experience and knowledge, so that you and your family may live in it.
Christ didn't write a book, He founded a church as is clear in the Gospels. A new Church not without scribes, priests, wisemen, saints and laymen.
I will consider what you say if you can explain the mircacle at Fatima that was witnessed by tens of thousands of faithful, unfaithful, common people, journalists, communists and whoever else happened to present that day.
Being a scientific thinker, I'm not much for apparitions at all. This however is far different.
So you would ask me, a stranger/sinner to pray for you therefor putting more stock in my prayers than the blessed Mother of the Word become man?
Putting the supernatural aside for a moment, I find this illogical.
Upon arriving, the angel said to her "Rejoice, O highly favored daughter! The Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women".
Hmmmmmm, an Archangel of God Almighty is referring to a human as Blessed. God must think she is very important indeed! And so do I.
**when I make the Sign of the Cross before I eat my lunch.**
Good for you for having the courage to do this in public. When we traveled as a family we would always pause and pray together before we ate in a restaurant, making the Sign of the Cross before and after the Prayer before Meals. Many times non-Catholics as well as Catholics would come up to us after they had finished eating and compliment us on our faith. (with five kids--we needed it!) LOL!
I often wondered about their sincerity or if it was dusted with a little bit of envy.
**Rosalind Moss' "From Judaism to the Fullness of Christ." It'll make you cry, smile, and leap for joy that the Liturgy of Christ and his Blessed Apostles was preserved for us by the equally as Blessed Roman Catholic Church.**
This sounds like an excellent recommendation. I'll look for it in our church library.
Good question! LOL!
Excellent quotes and information.
BTTT
Excellent analogies.
Indeed, why would The Angel Gabriel have addressed her as "full of grace"? Only one reason -- because she was to become the abode for Christ, the living Word through the Holy Spirit. She had to be "full of grace" for Christ to be conceived!
There is one case that is somewhat close to your example; Saul when Samuel was raised up with the witch of En-dor.
1Sa 28:15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."
Technically, Saul never "prayed" to Samuel but he clearly petitioned him for guidance and direction. I should also add it had disasterous results for Saul.
Thanks for this reference -- it was one that I wasn't aware of.
1Sa 28:9-10 "But the woman said to him, "Behold, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off those who are mediums and spiritists from the land. Why are you then laying a snare for my life to bring about my death?" Saul vowed to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
It was forbidden by God.
Deu 18:10-11 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
I wonder why you are so full of yourself. You equate honor to Mary with a urine stain, which is a repellent comparison. Next, you criticize Salvation for a couple of comments added on at the beginning of the thread.
It's one thing to debate beliefs, convictions, or philosophical points of view. It's childish and rather offensive to make the kinds of comments you make.
So you think that Mary was her mortal body and is no more? You don't think that Mary is an eternal soul, and is living still?
Actually, I would put more faith in you to pray for me and in your prayers as a believer over this catholic Mary. You, as a man, have been affected by this thing called sin. You have known temptation. You are able to feel empathy for me. This "perfect" catholic Mary is not having never "experienced" sin.
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