Posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:02 PM PST by Land of the Irish
Rather nice screen-name.
"I think it's fair to say that he 'flirted' with sedevacantism, at times appearing to cross the line into that area while at other times backing away from it."
Why should it be surprising that someone who takes his Catholic faith seriously should have "flirted" with sedevacantism? It is inevitable that the Pontiff--who has admitted praying WITH animists and who has given the red hat to public heretics--should raise eyebrows. I give him the benefit of a doubt myself--but real doubts remain. His pontificate has been extremely damaging to the Church--and the destruction continues to this day.
Don't mis-apprehend the nature of authority in the Church. It's not like General Motors, where a VP can fire a Manager, who could fire a Supervisor, who could fire a staff associate.
When you come right down to it, Cardinals and Bishops are exactly the same in their scope of responsibilities--they are responsible for a particular 'territory,' period.
Only the Pope can "fire" someone, although it's not done often, and NEVER has been done often. Easy to see why: Christ not only selected Judas, He did NOT fire him.
Later on, it took a lot for some notorious heretics to 'get fired,'--usually it was after fairly lengthy exchanges of letters wherein it became clear that the heretic would not recant.
Luther wasn't fired--he quit.
We could go on. The answer is likely somewhere in CSLewis' essay on the problem of evil...
THIS long it took you?
From the Apostolic Constitution promulgating the 1983 Code of Canon Laws.
This mark of collegiality by which the process of this Code’s origin was prominently characterized, is entirely in harmony with the teaching authority and the nature of the Second Vatican Council. The Code therefore, not only because of its content but because also of its origin, demonstrates the spirit of this Council in whose documents the Church, the universal sacrament of salvation (cf. Const. Lumen Gentium, n. 9, 48) is presented as the People of God, and its hierarchical constitution is shown as founded on the College of Bishops together with its Head.Thanks for inspiring me to find this and look it up. I had no idea just how bad this introduction to the Canon Law was. I had heard about a lot of bad things in the new Code, and this apostolic constitution summarizes that spirit that inspired the problems.For this reason therefore, the Bishops and Episcopal Conferences were invited to associate themselves with the work of preparing the new Code, so that through a task of such length, in as collegial a manner as possible, little by little the juridical formulae would come to maturity and would then serve the whole Church.
The instrument, such as the Code is, fully accords with the nature of the Church, particularly as presented in the authentic teaching of the Second Vatican Council seen as a whole, and especially in its ecclesiological doctrine. In fact, in a certain sense, this new Code can be viewed as a great effort to translate the conciliar ecclesiological teaching into canonical terms.
Indeed it is possible to assert that from this derives that characteristic whereby the Code is regarded as a complement to the authentic teaching proposed by the Second Vatican Council and particularly to its Dogmatic and Pastoral Constitutions. From this it follows that the fundamental basis of the ‘newness’ which, while never straying from the Church’s legislative tradition, is found in the Second Vatican Council and especially in its ecclesiological teaching, generates also the mark of ‘newness’ in the new Code.
Foremost among the elements which express the true and authentic image of the Church are: the teaching whereby the Church is presented as the People of God (cf. Const. Lumen Gentium, n. 2) and its hierarchical authority as service (ibid n. 3); the further teaching which portrays the Church as a communion and then spells out the mutual relationships which must intervene between the particular and the universal Church, and between collegiality and primacy; likewise, the teaching by which all members of the People of God share, each in their own measure, in the threefold priestly, prophetic and kingly office of Christ, with which teaching is associated also that which looks to the duties and rights of Christ’s faithful and specifically the laity; and lastly the assiduity which the Church must devote to ecumenism.
Yeah--I agree that Brady's gotten more strident in the last 24 months or so. I hope it's merely frustration...
"Traditionalists, take the stand that by leaving the Church they can fix it from the outside"
We take no such stand. We haven't left the Church. Traditionalism as a powerful movement of faith is going on WITHIN the Church. Get used to it.
Quite honestly, I fear (and I MEAN fear) that Brady's statement may be true--that a majority of USBishops are queers.
But to get there, one has to include the 'retired' ones as well as the active ones. I suspect that among the 'active' Bishops, it's a large minority and decreasing.
"Surprise, surprise"--as Andy said to Barney (or was it the reverse?)
This simply cannot be true. You have stated that the Pope dis-believes the Promise of Christ (...'shall not prevail..')
Perhaps your recollection is imprecise.
You forgot the rest of the sentence:
...and you have about 3 minutes in which to repent, after which you will be incinerated.
TTGC Chief Prosecutor to ArBus: "STRIKE THE MATCH!!!"
It's ok--I didn't send you the policy/procedures manual yet.
What's so implausible about that? The Pope also believes muslims worship the Holy Trinity, something the muslims, themselves, strongly deny.
Well said.
OTOH, it is certainly true that some posters to these threads are excommunicandi by their own hand (so to speak.)
We now use a highly reliable, all weather electronic ignition device, modified from designs used in the Patriot Missile System.
Actually, "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise" was the tag line of the character Gomer Pyle, who started out running a gas station in Mayberry before joing the Marines...
Kewl!!
"There is a tendency on this forum to pit "Rad-trad schizzies" against "Novus Ordonian modernists" and try to force every Catholic into one or the other camp. This dichotomy does not reflect reality."
Well spoken. I attend the local N.O. despite the modernism I encounter weekly.
If however all the available N.O. Masses were irreverent, sacriligious, or invalid (as indeed some of them have been); I would not hesitate to drive to Portland to attend an SSPX Mass whenever possible. So far, I have not been put in this position.
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