Question to Christians From a Jewish Friend

December 9, 2004 | Michael Katz

[Mike10542]

Hey fellow freepers, having been swept up in the battle of conservatives first liberals and believers in God vs. non-beleivers I clearly have chosen the right side here (hence me writing on Free Republic). The alignment of Jews like myself and many fellow Christians is one that I feel is very necesary to win the war against evil and have peace in our time. Although I choose to ignore all the leftists and others who try to break up this loving partnership by saying "They are only on your side becuase they want the Jews in control of Jerusalem so Christ returns," I am looking to explore what the Bible really teaches about the Jewish fate from the Christian perspective. It is hard to find what the majority opinion is because the internet is, well, the internet. What I have made out so far is that during rapture I beleive 2/3's of Jews are killed, but one third survive. So my questions are:

1) What do the 2/3's of Jews die from (war, just happens????)

2) What happens to the remaning 1/3 of Jews after they survive?

3) Do any of this remaining 1/3 of Jews make it past the final judgement of God (some interpertations say no, others say the remaining Jews are allowed to pass once accepting God and I think Christ)

I truly beleive in my Jewish fate as I have been raised Jewish, but my mom is Christian. So each religion I respect and believe are good. Ultimately, I hope us Jews and Christians both make it together to the promised land (and only the Muslims are sent to hell!)

Thanks for all your answers. Also, feel free to direct me to anywhere where I can learn more about this subject.

[Bandaneira]

No, Mike. Don't look at Jews for Jesus. It is a waste of your time.

[Bandaneira]

Traditional Jew.

[bayourod]

We (evangelicals) enjoy reading the books by Hal Lindsey and Tim LaFavre for their entertainment value but we really don't give much serious thought to what exactly is going to happen in what order at what time etc... It's not relevant to our living a Christian life.

Some of us even believe that we are not meant to understand or know the prophesies. We don't care about rebuilding the temple.

On the other hand. We believe every word in the Old Testament is true. We believe that the Jews are the chosen people of God and that God will bless nations that aid Israel. Christian children are raised on Old Testament stories. I didn't learn that I wasn't a Jew until I started to public school.

Jews have a legitimate reason to fear us evangelicals because we are commanded to take the teachings of Christ to all people, including Jews, but we could never even think of interfering in their religious practices or doing them any harm.

[k2blader]

That we have done nothing and can do nothing to redeem ourselves is fundamental to Christianity.

You may want to regularly attend an in-depth Bible study.

[k2blader]

Oh, based on your posts I had assumed you were a Christian. Since you are not, let me extend my apologies for engaging you in a way I did not intend.

[Bandaneira]

I'm not a Christian. We are both the puppets and puppeteers of the universe. We can by our very actions redeem the universe, i.e. Counter-Balance the evil. We can change the course of human history. That is our divine role, even if many people have forgotten it.

[Oschisms]

I'm not religious, but I'm on Israel's side because our national interests coincide almost perfectly since 9\11. Also, if we're going to promote democracy in the Middle East, it makes sense to support the only democracy in the Middle East.

[Bandaneira]

No worries mate. I assume you are a male. If not, mate is also a term of endearment for a female here in the Great Southern Land.

Spirited dialogue is good to progress things along.

[Bandaneira]

One does not need an intermediary to connect to the higher force.

[texasflower]

Take your word for it? No thanks. I'll take the word of God.

[Bandaneira]

Peace between the nations is possible.

[backhoe]

Well, you want my 2 cents? ( see profile for further info )

Jews are God's people, and so are Christians. At the end of time, I think ( and hope ) He will slap you on the back, and say "well done." I don't think minor theological difference matter much to a being so vastly higher than ourselves.

[Bandaneira]

You'll see what unfolds over the next few months.

[loboinok]

What he means Mike, is that levitt is probably a bullseye.

[Smokin' Joe]

"carpenter"? "wonder boy"?

I don't care what you believe, but kindly show some respect for our beliefs.

[Bandaneira]

Which one of the following sects best approximates your belief system/frame of reference ?

(1) Roman Catholic
(2) Evangelical
(3) Pentecostal
(4) Christian Scientist
(5) Quaker
(6) Lutheran
(7) Church of England
(8) Eastern Orthodox
(9) Coptic
(10) Brethren
(11) Amish
(12) House of Yahweh
(13) Unitarian
(14) Baptist
(15) Presbyterian
(16) Other Christian Sect

[texasflower]

Yeah. Right.

You are a very strange person.

Like I said, I trust in the world of God, not a nutcase on FR.

[Bandaneira]

Poor conceptual models of reality can lead to poor actions, just as bad thinking can lead to bad actions. He was a carpenter and many christians see him as the wonder-boy so both terms I used are not pejoratives.