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To: Land of the Irish
Our Lady was conceived without original sin.

Someone's imagination gone wild. This is Satan's method for getting our eye's off Jesus - glorify someone else.

The excuse for this doctrine is that she had to be without in order to give birth to a son without sin. If she was conceived without sin, then her parents must have also been born without sin. How many generations back shall we go?

In Luke 1:46, we read,
"And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,.."

If she was without sin, she wouldn't need a savior.

3 posted on 12/07/2004 6:11:38 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Someone's imagination gone wild.

You're obviously not Catholic.

Move along.

5 posted on 12/07/2004 6:18:19 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: aimhigh

Our Lady leads us to her Son. She tells us to "Do whatever He says". She is the gate of Heaven that leads us to Christ. "To Him through Her." And yes, she was a creature who enjoyed the salvation of God, who is not bound by time and applied the merits of Christ's passion and death to preserve Our Lady from all stain of original sin from the moment of her conception.


6 posted on 12/07/2004 6:28:15 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: aimhigh

aimhigh- hitlow


7 posted on 12/07/2004 6:42:26 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: aimhigh

This is a Catholic section. I don't think you should comment on it.


8 posted on 12/07/2004 6:43:12 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: aimhigh
My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,.."

Right. Her salvation, like her freedom from sin, was prefigured by God even before Christ's birth, death and resurrection.

9 posted on 12/07/2004 6:45:20 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: aimhigh
If she was conceived without sin, then her parents must have also been born without sin.

Applying you logic in reverse, if Mary was conceived with sin, then her Son, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was also conceived with sin.

10 posted on 12/07/2004 6:47:35 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: aimhigh

Well how nice of you to come onto a Catholic thread and bash Catholic doctrine.
Why is it I never see you on SJackson or Allouette's Jewish threads bashing Jews?

Catholics are fair game, I guess.


13 posted on 12/07/2004 8:41:16 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: aimhigh

What about the Angel Gabriel's greeting to Mary in Luke:

"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you."


14 posted on 12/07/2004 9:06:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: aimhigh
Do you seriously think you are having an impact on anyone?

Funny that you attempt to "correct" the thinking the original Christians (i.e. Catholics) from your perspective of cheap-after-market-Christianity (i.e. Protestantism.)

Go away, degrading the mother of Jesus will get you nowhere.

25 posted on 12/08/2004 8:25:52 AM PST by Pio (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
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To: aimhigh
This is Satan's method for getting our eye's off Jesus - glorify someone else.

Since the IC is -- Catholic dogma insists -- a prior application of the foreseen merits of the crucified Christ, what we are really glorifying is Christ's salvific work perfectly exemplified in his mother.

You think it's Satanic to praise and celebrate the salvific work of Christ?

Catholic doctrine can be debated, but I have no idea why any Protestant would want to debate this one. You think God can't make a sinless Jewish girl? Does his omnipotence have limits, then?

32 posted on 12/08/2004 12:50:14 PM PST by Campion
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