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More denial from the Episcopal Church USA [attendance is down]
<strike>Wannabe</strike> Newbie Anglican ^ | 12/02/2004 | Mark

Posted on 12/02/2004 7:23:55 AM PST by sionnsar

Well, the official numbers are out. And memberships losses in the Episcopal Church accelerated in 2003. But was the General Convention and the consecration of Gene Robinson that year the big factors behind that? Nooooooo.

Well, actually, yes. But you’re not going to hear that from the Episcopal spin doctors. See that 900 pound gorilla in the room? Just ignore it. It’s not important.

I have to give the two ECUSA directors in the interview some credit, though. They are right that the Episcopal Church's membership problems didn’t begin in 2003. And Mr. Fulton seems to actually admit that the mainline penchant for offering not much in the way of being a church that holds forth the Way, the Truth, and the Life might, just might, hurt membership:

The bread-and-butter of mainline denominations, what we really do offer people, is belonging. And that’s not what the church at its truest offers people, just to belong. You can belong a lot of places.

Aeyyyy-men! Oh I forgot – I’m Anglican now.

Further, uh, dialogue, that’s it, may be found at Titusonenine.


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It took some hunting to find the reference at titusonenine, but here it is. --sionnsar

Q&A: Context, analysis offered on church membership statistics

Read it all.

Here is an email from a blog reader about the article:

Below is a link to a Nov 29 ENS Q&A discussing why attendance and membership is falling in the Episcopal Church that might make a good post to TitusOneNine. Very interesting reading. Apparently the problem (according to 815) is that wealthy, educated people are not having enough children.

The given link goes to a longish interview published by the Episcopal News Service. There's some humor to be mined from it, but it's too long to repost here. --sionnsar

1 posted on 12/02/2004 7:23:55 AM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 12/02/2004 7:24:23 AM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || All I want for Christmas is a legitimate governor.)
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To: sionnsar

ECUSA has been inflating attendance figures for years. Sort of like on the order the "Million Man" March. I would seriously doubt there are a million fannies parked in ECUSA seats on any given Sunday.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 7:37:16 AM PST by Credo
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To: sionnsar

Here are the numbers from the story:

36,000-person decline in membership

a decline of almost 24,000 in average Sunday worship attendance.

In 2002 the decline was only 8,000

From the denominational web site:
There are 2,320,221 baptized members.

(For comparative purposes, about 3.5 million in the early 1960s)


4 posted on 12/02/2004 8:48:54 AM PST by PAR35
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To: sionnsar

These guys are delusional.


5 posted on 12/02/2004 8:58:05 AM PST by r9etb
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To: sionnsar
And how many of those reported members are active? My former ECUSA church had around 450 families registered as "members", but only around 120 families were active -- i.e., attending services at least twice a month. Only 145 families pledged any sort of financial support to the church.

It was a bit of a joke. For example, at Easter, most of the "regulars" attend the Saturday Easter Vigil service and leave the Sunday morning services to the "casuals". The church is packed to the rafters with 300 strangers. About half return for Christmas. Makes for a good one-time haul of loose cash in the offering plate, but doesn't really reflect the ongoing life the church.
6 posted on 12/02/2004 9:21:51 AM PST by good_fight
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To: good_fight

ahadams gave me the number 800,000 practicing episcopalians -- (before general convention trauma)


7 posted on 12/02/2004 10:09:25 AM PST by bonny011765
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To: bonny011765

"Practicing" what?


8 posted on 12/02/2004 10:39:05 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

LOL.
You are right Sir. They are not practicing--they are good at it!


9 posted on 12/02/2004 11:30:53 AM PST by bonny011765
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To: sionnsar

About the only way to get your name off most parish registers is to officially request a transfer of your letter to another Episcopal Church. If you just stop going altogether, or join another denomination, in all likelihood your name may well remain on the parish registry - oftentimes for decades. It can therefore be counted when the parish sends it's membership stats to the diocese.


10 posted on 12/02/2004 12:03:15 PM PST by Cookie123
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To: Cookie123

You are right. I am probably still on the Methodist rolls.


11 posted on 12/02/2004 2:28:46 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Cookie123
I sent them a letter when we became Catholic, asking them to remove us from the parish.

But I bet we're still on the rolls, 'cause we didn't transfer our letters. I don't know of any way to CANCEL your letters!

12 posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:09 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Most denominations distinguish between active members and members they're simply carrying on the rolls. Nobody wants to purge them, of course. Won't get done.


13 posted on 12/02/2004 3:59:18 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: Cookie123
About the only way to get your name off most parish registers is to officially request a transfer of your letter to another Episcopal Church. If you just stop going altogether, or join another denomination, in all likelihood your name may well remain on the parish registry - oftentimes for decades. It can therefore be counted when the parish sends it's membership stats to the diocese.

I heard this from a friend of mine who was at one time studying to be an Episcopalian priest. Near the end of her seminary training, she ended up poping over some morality issue, and has been working for a Catholic diocese ever since as she debates whether to marry or become a nun. Despite all this, she swears that she had never been able to get her name removed from the ECUSA registers...
14 posted on 12/02/2004 4:10:00 PM PST by GratianGasparri
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To: GratianGasparri
Wow, that's even more extreme than our case!

But even if they won't let go of my name, they sure as certain ain't getting any more of my money!

(And really, that's what they care about the most.)

15 posted on 12/02/2004 7:19:57 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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