Oakland seminary housing sex offender priests

ABC News ^ | November 28, 2004

[AskStPhilomena]

"You tell me, is it getting better?"

No, it's only getting worse.
Unfortunately, just like Jeffrey Dahmer in jail, many of the misfits masquerading as Catholic bishops continue to receive fan-mail...
http://condoms4life.org/news/2004/113004GoodShepherd.htm

[narses]

Hey Deacon, your thoughts?

[narses]

Tell me about it. Ugh.

[AskStPhilomena]

The deacon probably still believes the bishops' lies about "zero tolerance".

[Salvation]

**the young men training to be priests should tell no one – not their families, not the media.**

Yikes! These poor young men -- not a good place to be.

[Salvation]

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

[Salvation]

A person cannot really categorize priests and/or seminarians like this article does.

Here are some other articles about seminarians:
Cardinal Arinze - "Youth will embrace religious life with right role models"

Today's seminarians reflect growing trend

Number of Seminarians Increases - Please Decipher This!!!!

In Seminaries, New Ways for a New Generation

Seminary Springtime: Father Darrin Connall s Big Success

EVIDENCE GROWS OF DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE TO VATICAN IN MAJOR AMERICAN SEMINARIES

Pope to Church: Risky Seminarians Must Go

Priests Down, Seminarians Up

U.S. Priests and seminarians survey: more vocations in orthodox dioceses

Vatican Announces Surge in Seminaries during JPII Pontificate

Seminary Reform Needed in Wake of Sex Abuse Study ["the crisis in the Church is ... homosexuality"]

Homosexuals in seminaries? The latest.....

Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary

Bishop urges gay ban in clergy; presses for overhaul in screening priests

A New Breed of Priest

AUSTRIAN SEMINARY SHUT DOWN FOR PROBE

Seminarians Show Support For Celibacy

556 Reasons for Hope [Seminarians Support Celibacy]

Oakland seminary housing sex offender priests

[thor76]

I am not quite sure what your point is........or whether you actually read what I wrote in its entirety.

But if the sodomite priest is sent to a monastary for hard labor, silence, prayer, penance, and enforced poverty, it is for the good of his soul.

Let me say that again for the hard of hearing: it is for the good of his soul!

[saradippity]

You did make some good points,the principal one being,what are we to do with offenders? Although certainly they could have alerted the neighborhood. Unfortunately,the Church still does not have a good handle on some major problems that are an outgrowth of the abuse. And even more to the shame of the body of B/bishops,they deny the major problem which they do have a handle on.

Complment time is now over and I would like some source of the pronouncement you made about Vigneron's knowledge of the existence of the abusers at St. Albert's and some evidence that if he does know,he approves and further that he has the authority to order an Order to acquiesce to him.

[fatima]

Hi AskStPhilomena.

[fatima]

Get lost.

[ninenot]

I suspect that the USCC puzzle-palace headquarters in Washington DC could be sold for a tidy sum--which could then be re-invested in a nice secure semi-fortress desert monestary someplace in the USA.

Two birds, one stone. We could even keep some USCC staffers as "guards."

[GirlShortstop]

I suspect that the USCC puzzle-palace headquarters in Washington DC could be sold for a tidy sum--which could then be re-invested in a nice secure semi-fortress desert monestary someplace in the USA. Two birds, one stone. We could even keep some USCC staffers as "guards."

Excellent idea!  You're always thinking, and thinking straight; that's why yours and the General's posts are reliably good reads.

Pax et bonum FRiends!

[sinkspur]

Complment time is now over and I would like some source of the pronouncement you made about Vigneron's knowledge of the existence of the abusers at St. Albert's and some evidence that if he does know,he approves and further that he has the authority to order an Order to acquiesce to him.

Go to the link, read the article, especially the last paragraph.

[Siobhan]

If anyone cares, I know St. Albert's Priory. You walk out the front door and in no time you are on top of a school. Walk straight on and you are at a supermarket and a number of stores. And there are upscale homes all around it. The Priory used to be a Convent as I recall.

Many of the Dominicans are stalwart, some are enemies of God. Those in command despise Bishop Vigneron -- and let's be clear, Bishop Vigneron could not stop the Dominicans from doing this. The idea of planting all of these creatures in Vigneron's diocese was no doubt a great joy to a number of the boys in white at St. Albert's and in the Western Province.

Oh well....

[saradippity]

Thanks,I read both links St. Phil put up as well as one from Canticle of Deborah. I don't put a lot of stock in the last sentence of the first link.

First of all the offenders were placed at the priory one year before Vigneron arrived in Oakland and it may have been some while after he arrived before he was apprised of the situation. Second,Fr.Corales(sp?),was being interviewed and was on the hot seat,sounds like he threw the Bishop's 'blessing' into the mix and hoped no one would check it out. And since it did not seem to be a direct quote,he may have just said:"the bishop know about this arrangement". Third,the Bishop was not interviewed because he was out of town.

So thankyou for providing your source,and there was a reason for you to say what you did,I myself put little stock in the truth of the specifics regards Vigneron's position and actions in this case at this time.

[saradippity]

Thanks for the input. In one of the linked articles,it shows that the use of the Priory for offenders far predated Vigneron's coming to Oakland and I bet they kept it a secret as long as possible.

This is a little off topic but you always know so much so I have a question for you.I have asked this question on a regular basis and never got a response,or if I did I didn't see it or worse.

Do you know if any Bishops tried using exorcists to try to remove the "demonic" presence from the abusive priests? I believe the Vatican's official exorcist,Fr. Amworth says that that demon is particulary difficult to remove,so I infer that it has been tried. If it has,(especially in the 50's and 60's)and if it was considered successful,wouldn't you like to know about it? I know I would,it would certainly add a new dimension to the discussions.

[ArrogantBustard]

The downside I see here is the proximity of homosexual perverts to young seminarians.

[ArrogantBustard]

Demons are summoned by the sound of their name.

Now that takes me back to my Dungeons & Dragons days ... < roll 10 sided dice ... >

[Siobhan]

I would like for Fr. Amorth to say more on the matter so we can move beyond the "official story" regarding so-called 'sexual orientation'. I have heard of stories, sara, but only stories.