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To: concretebob
Assuming that fallen angels were never de-frocked of their bodies, why would it be necessary or desirable for a fallen angel to 'possess' a human body which is far less impressive than theirs? If demons are actually dis-embodied spirits (which would explain why they want to possess humans), where did they come from? Products of angel/human relations? maybe... don't know... assuming they are, wouldn't this be a very limited army at Satan's disposal? were the angels which had relations with humans doing this for so long without challenge that would explain the multitude of demons that are known to exist? Only a third of the angels rebelled against God... not much to work with there at armageddon when your still facing the other 2/3rds.

Now here's a real good kicker... You know how God likes the number 3.... We know that Satan leads a rebellion against God twice... once in heaven with 1/3 of the angels, and once in Revelations at armageddon. What happened to 3??? (unless armageddon IS # 3... so where's # 2?)
1,237 posted on 12/21/2004 2:59:14 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
Apparently, they can't exist for very long OUTSIDE of a physical body.
That is what I have read in the past, and I can't remember where, but it was on a website which researched the individual entities in terms of their names, and their function.
It also had an admonition that it was best to ignore them, and their existence.
As if acknowledging their existence increased their power.
It was stated that these spirits are extremely evil, and very vindictive, and a mortal expressing overt curiosity, was apt to find more than he wanted.
There are people in the world, who have dedicated their lives to finding these evil spirits.

Yes, it sounds crazy, but no more so than UFO chasers.

1,239 posted on 12/21/2004 3:12:42 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns
However, in Revelations, John describes creatures coming out of the ground, from out of the abyss.
I could start another thread on this subject.
Whatever John saw in his vision/dream, there were a LOT of them.
"and they were as locusts"...in the Bible, "locusts" means a WHOLE LOT.
We could go in two directions at this point, regarding where they come from.
One direction must pre-suppose one major item: underground bases are real, and much larger than we could imagine.
The other direction is the supernatural, where the evil spirits inhabit the Earth.

These are just my opinions

1,242 posted on 12/21/2004 3:24:03 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns

Interesting about #2 question. I have no idea but am keenly interested.

I have long felt that God could easily create infinite numbers more of angles for His side, were that His desire. He may have set up some 'game rules' for this reality which preclude that but I consider it His option. I don't think God would be the least bit threatened by satan's 1/3 angels if the other 2/3 were on vacation; in a deep sleep or just ceased to exist. God's Spoken Word and Holy Spirit are sufficient, each alone, imho.

In any case, satan's goose is cooked along with that of all his forces. They know it. They are on a vengeance trip. Satan may have deluded his forces that they might be able to overcome God. But satan knows his goose is cooked. The Bible is clear about that. imho.


1,247 posted on 12/21/2004 4:12:18 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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