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To: Alamo-Girl; concretebob; Safrguns; Las Vegas Dave; DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest

SORRY.

I wasn't very clear.

Given a LOT of givens plus conjecture and puzzle pieces . . .

it seems more than a little plausible to me that THE WATCHERS in our era are known as ET's.

I don't wish to get into an exhaustive WHY at the moment. I will note that the sometimes reported 70 different races of ET's WATCHING the drama on our planet . . . and dinking with it somewhat seem to do things akin to demonic forces and/or at least be in league with demonic forces.

I do NOT, however, consider them totally identical to demonic forces 100%. That is, I do not consider 100% of all demonic forces to be ET's NOR do I consider 100% of all ET's to be demonic forces. I do believe that whether they are demonic forces inhabiting bioengineered 'shells,' or not, that 90-99% of the more commonly observed and reported ET races are at least incahoots with satan toward establishing a global government; controlling man; and trying to throw sand in God's face in the 'final conflict.'

AND, that they are clearly literally scr*wing around with humans of both sexes--literally and invitro against humans' wills. I suspect God is as annoyed with it this time as He was in the days of Noah.

There's little to no reported evidence of giants being produced. Usually, the offspring are reported to be rather puny but healthier than the ET parents in some respects that are hard to discern.

Can we say with any certainty that the WATCHERS of Noah's era are more or less the same class of critter as the WATCHERS of our era? I don't know that we can say much of certainty except that GOD IS; CHRIST IS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN WHO DIED FOR US; ROSE AGAIN . . . etc.

But, to me, it's much more than a little plausible.

There is one significant difference. The WATCHERS of NOAH's era seemed to be copulating with women out of lust reasons rather totally and wholesale. The WATCHERS of our era appear to be copulating with both men and women in a rather cold scientific enterprise of some sort devoid of any passion except what they artificially trigger in the humans to coerce the humans cooperation. And, many times, sperm and ova are harvested in a very sterile, mechainzed way.

Some say offspring from such are to reinvigorate the ET's homeworld dying from whatever ingrownness and genetic engineering gone long awry. Some say it's to engineer a mass of human savy, human appearing, human compatible troops to help control earth. I don't know that anyone (but God), even the government really knows. Some say all that is government research about pollution and nuclear deteriortation of the genome under the guise of ET's. There might CONCEIVABLY be some of that but I doubt it's the whole reported picture of such escapades.

I don't know that any of this is all that central to anything eternal. Even if the WATCHERS end up playing a central role in end time events; they will eventually just end up as a functional footnote to the climax. Christ and His Church will have the starring roles. All forces of evil will be trounced and removed from ALL Creation.

And for that, I believe that all the true races of ET's or WATCHERS or whatever else there is will be REJOICING as Scripture indicates.

[I'm not really that interested in debating the existence of ET's with the naysayers. If fair-minded folks want to sort through in a mutually respectful way such issues as are touched on above--fine with me as I have time and energy.]


1,225 posted on 12/21/2004 10:01:11 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
Thank you for the explanation!

I have no personal experience with unidentified flying objects and don't have an opinion - one way or the other - as to whether or not they are visitations from the spirits. My now deceased husband had seen a UFO and was asked to appear on a television program with a panel. He was a pilot but the others there were not and were quite excitable and had all kinds of ideas of what the UFOs were, their "purpose" and such. My husband was not pleased to be in that company and ended his part in the panel by simply observing that what he saw was unidentifiable - if he could have identified it, it wasn't a UFO.

I do note that in Scripture, angels may appear as normal people ("Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." - Hebrews 13:2") They may also appear with frightening demeanor (Daniel, etc.)

But even if the UFO's were some visible form of angelic visitation - I do not put any weight on a claim that they are among the Watchers. The angels in heaven do not have sexual relations (Matt 22:22-33) The Watchers (who according to Enoch were angels made in heaven but assigned to earth) were a uniquely assigned group of angels who had a physical manifestation such that they could and did have sex with women and produced giants (see also Genesis 6). For that conduct and more, they are all imprisoned for the final judgment. (Jude, 2 Peter 2, Enoch)

Without the evidence of such giants (Genesis 6, Enoch) walking the earth today, I do not accept the testimony of women claiming to have had sex with angels.

1,226 posted on 12/21/2004 10:31:01 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Safrguns

While the New Testament uses the Greek word "demon" to refer to these "sons of the mighty", the Old Testament uses revealing descriptive names. Words which describe these beings, such as b'nai Elohim, "sons of God", Zophim, "the watchers", and Malakh, "messengers", (translated angel in English), are used for the "aerial host" often regardless of alignment. New Testament demons were understandably associated with evil, since originally the Greek term diamon meant "any deity", and the Bible consistently portrays only one God. There are three main terms for demons in the New Testament: daimonion (demon; 60 times, 50 in the Gospels); pneuma (spirit; some 52 times) usually with a qualifying adjective such as akatharton (unclean; 21 times) or poneron (evil; 8 times); and angelos (7 times of demonic agencies). Daimon (demon), the term commonly used in classical Greek, appears only once (Mark 8:31) ( Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Walter A. Elwell (Ed))


1,228 posted on 12/21/2004 1:27:39 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix
Lucifer comitted the worst sin of all, he was prideful. He told God he would place himself above God, and all would bow to him.
This has been Lucifer's goal from the start, to place himself ABOVE God, to be LIKE God.
That is why the Watchers took wives from the human segment of society. Lucifer wanted to start his own race of beings which would be loyal to him.

Lucifer is very clear about his ambitions in his "I will..." speech quoted in Isaiah 14:13:
I will go up to the heavens,
I will raise my thrown above the stars of God, and
I will sit in the mount of meeting, in the sides of the north.
I will rise over the heights of the clouds:
I will be compared to the Most High.

1,229 posted on 12/21/2004 1:36:00 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix

All I'd do is reinforce what you said, and maybe do some "linear interpolation" regarding the physical body/lack of, scenario.


1,236 posted on 12/21/2004 2:55:48 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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