Posted on 11/05/2004 7:37:55 PM PST by Land of the Irish
Next Pope to be Portuguese?
While the Portuguese Church has been discreet over the topic over who will succeed Pope John Paul II, it has become increasingly evident that Lisbon Cardinal D. José da Cruz Policarpo has a growing number of supporters who believe he should be Pope number 263, it was revealed this week by the Correio da Manhã.
The latest example of the 68-year old Lisbon Bishop’s growing favouritism comes from the French magazine Paris-Match, which, among 14 candidates, highlight six, one of them being D. José Policarpo.
In addition, the US publication, The National Catholic Reporter, has also forecast that D. Policaro could emerge as the consensual candidate from Ibero-Latin-Americas block.
In recent years, several meetings and conferences organised by the Vatican have been held in Lisbon, with analysts confessing this could be due to the extremely favourable light in which D. Policarpo is seen in the Catholic world.
The Lisbon Cardinal has a number of advantages counting in his favour, such as the fact that he his one of the longest serving bishops (he was ordained in 1978). Other features in his favour include the excellent relations he enjoys with bishops in Africa and South America, along with support received from so-called intellectual French Catholics and modernist wings of the Church. However, most significantly, he is also seen as the man who could serve as a bridge to close widening gaps in certain sectors of the Church.
A notable disadvantage is the fact that D. Policarpo is a smoker, which could be looked upon negatively in the English-speaking Catholic world. Having never had his own parish, and a certain lack in fluency in languages also count against him.
In another related story, the Lisbon Cardinal had his speech interrupted and was insulted by a youth while addressing thousands at the Notre Dame in Paris.
The young man rose to the altar, where he called D. Policarpo a “heretic”. The youth was rapidly overpowered, but was later seen distributing pamphlets with other youths that included photographs of Hindus worshiping at the Fátima Sanctuary.
The young man is reported to be part of a group of Catholic extremists that has been suspended by the Vatican.
methinks Policarpo is culpable
That would be bad for you, right?
You must be soooooo disappointed by JP II's survival. Whoever comes next will probably crank up the discipline further against your schism. Make your deal with JP II. It isn't going to get any better for you under his successor. Return to the promises of Christ while time remains.
Nor for you.
Really? Wow.
"Thus Modernism must also incorporate hatred of the pope and of the papacy See Modernist godfather, a British Jesuit, George......?, SJ, who was the founder of the Modernist heresy (the Modernist equivalent of Lefebvre, so to speak) and every bit as excommuncated as are your leaders in SSPX, although SSPX's anti-Catholic ambitions are far less imaginative and far more limited in scope."
My leader, Pope John Paul II, is excommunicated?
"You must be soooooo disappointed by JP II's survival."
Not really. What made you think something goofy like that?
"Whoever comes next will probably crank up the discipline further against your schism."
My schism? Which schism is that? I go to the indult.
"Make your deal with JP II."
What deal?
"It isn't going to get any better for you under his successor. Return to the promises of Christ while time remains."
I just thought I'd draw you onto the carpet long enough to let you blow some steam and make it clear that you don't really know what you're talking about.
Thank you for your participation.
Get your facts straight, pascendi does not assist at SSPX masses, which he has made clear many times.
You must be soooooo disappointed by JP II's survival.
You have succeeded in sinking to an even deeper low than I thought possible with this statement, and after previous exchanges with you my expectations were really low.
Never miss an opportunity to spread falsehoods do you?
Return to the promises of Christ while time remains.
I suggest you take your own advice.
I loved how when after the new watered down canon law (1983) came out that had already gutted our fasting practices, the USCCB was instructed that they could forget about fasting on Fridays altogether, just have some form of unspecified penance in its place.
Not only was the watered down fasting watered down even further - to the point of nonexistence - but our illustrious leaders forgot the part about adding any penance. So now American Catholics aren't required to fast, or do anything whatsoever for that matter. An integral part of our community and reverential sacrifice to our Lord flushed down the toilet by so few in so short a time span.
Another blessing to our Church from John Paul "the Great" and the American episcopate.
Also you are making an irrelevant argument about the meaning of attendance at SSPX Masses. They are Masses. Catholics can attend them. What Catholics can NOT do is adhere to the schism of dead excommunicated Marcel and the excommunicated Econe 4 or their successors in schism.
It is easy enough to judge who adheres to the schism and who does not by their posts here, including attempts at phony moral equivalency to the Eastern Orthodox Churches and other distraction arguments rooted in despising this pope and his office.
You may wish to ping me to every random jerk of your knee in favor of the schism. You know and I know that you are not going to convince any well-catechized Catholic to leave the Roman Catholic Church. You will pick up a handful of taste-offended stragglers, emotionally vulnerable offended folk and what not. Christ promised that the Church will prevail which necessarily implies the failure of this schism you defend. If you say you are not SSPX, your posts certainly belie that claim. If you claim SSPX is not a schism, it is a schism. he pope said so whether that enrages you or not. If you claim that Marcel and the Econe 4 are not excommunicatos, ditto.
I guess you imagine that the SSPX is a sort of JP II fan club in which case, there is no point in conversing with you since you are as faithful to facts as Hanoi John Kerry and just as delusional.
To summarize, I never abandoned the promises of Christ. I stay put. The schismatics will have plenty to explain for abandoning the promises of Jesus Christ to HIS Roman Catholic Church (the real one led by JP II wielding the keys and headquartered in the Vatican).
Unless and until that point, bear in mind that attendance at an Indult Mass will satisfy one requirement of being a Catholic although no more than will attendance at a Novus Ordo Mass. Such attendance, however, no more makes one a Catholic if he adheres to the Marcellian schism than attendance at an SSPX schismatic Mass necessarily makes one an adherent of the SSPX aned therefore in schism.
When you take up the defense of the schism and its excommunicated leaders, you reject JP II as your leader and Catholicism as your Faith in favor of the the pottage of the schism and its leaders.
You too are converting no one adequately catechized. Recruit the cranks and take out the trash.
May the next pope enthusiastically take the discipline of the schism to new and higher levels. May he require public penance and humiliation of the schismatics as a condition of their return. That will be his call not mine but I sure hope he does at least that much since there was no cognizeable argument to ever justify the behavior and attitude of the SSPX enemies of the Church.
In #27: George..... = George Tyrell, SJ
Gee look at you, a gleaming example of a well catechized Catholic. A charitable, humble Christian living the teachings of our Lord.
You're a "member" alright (a standing one even), just not the type you would have others imagine you as.
I see that Tiny Tim's Geldings' Club is down to a membership of two.
Do you two ever come out of your tree fort?
Obviously what you posted to pascendi indicates that you do not know what you are talking about. There you go again, accusing someone falsely and making excuses for it.
It is easy enough to judge who adheres to the schism...
Now that's really funny. Check this out from courtesy of gbcdoj from another thread:
7. On the other hand, in the case of the rest of the faithful it is obvious that an occasional participation in liturgical acts or the activity of the Lefebvrian movement, done without making one's own the attitude of doctrinal and disciplinary disunion of such a movement, does not suffice for one to be able to speak of formal adherence to the movement. In pastoral practice the result can be that it is more difficult to judge their situation. One must take account above all of the person's intentions, and the putting into practice of this internal disposition. For this reason the various situations are going to be judged case by case, in the competent forums both internal and external.
FR is not that competent forum and neither are you. Perhaps if you removed that big fat log in your eye you could see that.
You may wish to ping me
I don't ever wish to ping you, but I can't allow you to spread falsehoods and it would be bad form not to ping you overtime I point out you making a fool out of yourself.
I am a membe in good standing of the Roman Catholic Church, in communion with the pope and with my diocesan bishop
You mean you've been to confession since your last post? Said a heartfelt Act of Contrition with the intention of receiving the Sacrament?
P.S. Why are you pinging ninenot, he wasn't in on this. And From my recollection he kinda hung you out to dry last time.
I just got that.
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