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America at the Crossroads
Catholic Exchange.com ^ | 10-25-04 | James Farfaglia

Posted on 10/25/2004 5:01:04 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Cheney took a handful of questions from the audience, and sidestepped a direct answer to one from Brian Kopp, a podiatrist from suburban Richland

Polycarp rises from the ashes.

21 posted on 10/26/2004 8:56:22 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Salvation; FL_engineer; cyn; FR_addict; windchime; Budge; Deo volente; nicmarlo; ...

President Bush does not share our Catholic Values and is not Christlike. He refuses to hear and do anything about Terri Schindler Schiavo here in Florida after having been apprised that there is attempted murder against her. He has been down here countless time and yet has refused to visit her. All lines to the Whitehouse are apparently closed. Even the brother of this "great man" has not even asked him to step in or they both refuse to do what is necessary even after having been apprised of the facts with evidence definitely put into their possession. If Terri is murdered there will not only be me but thousands of others in a geometrical progression who will never let them forget. They better step in and stop the people trying to commit murder is all that I can say right now. And if they don't they do not have Catholic Values. Take this from a true Catholic.

If I speak untruth prove me otherwise.


22 posted on 10/26/2004 10:29:27 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93; All
Look, since I got on pc93s ping list, I'll chime in with my opinion.

I believe in the fight for Terri. I also believe G.W. Bush is a strong proponent for the pro-life cause. Jeb is involved in the fight for Terri, and President Bush is pro-life.

You may not agree with their methods of promoting a respect for life agenda, but the fact is they are pro-life, and considered so by their allies and enemies.

John Kerry's position wouldn't even allow Terri the opportunity to live--heck, I could envision John Kerry ordering federal marshals to go in and remove the feeding tube and stand guard over the poor woman while she starves.

I appreciate your passion to save innocent life. You have to realize others share that same value, but not necessarily your tactics.

RD

23 posted on 10/26/2004 10:49:21 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Grey Ghost II

That's not the point. Kerry has unequivocally stated that he would prevent RvW from being overturned. If Kerry can publicly be this vocal in support of a SCOTUS decision worse than Dred Scott, why the hell can't Bush/Cheney take the obvious pro-life stance that RvW is no better than Dred Scott and must be overturned? The GOP had the guts to fight dred Scott in its infancy 140 years ago. Why not now with RvW?


24 posted on 10/26/2004 11:09:22 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

We are in agreement.


25 posted on 10/26/2004 11:15:48 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Then why don't they go visit her.. Or is Michael Schiavo too powerful for them to be able to do that? Gimmie a break.


26 posted on 10/26/2004 11:44:55 AM PDT by pc93
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Just wondering why they haven't stepped up to their duty of protecting her life is all. Not showing a very good example to other countries now are we?


27 posted on 10/26/2004 11:47:25 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93
I could ask the same question as to why they aren't visiting my sick grandma. I don't expect them to...and neither should you or anyone else.

You know, there are big picture issues involved when one is running an entire nation.

Where does President Bush stop working for re-election. Who else does he visit who is in dire straits?

Vicious attacks against your friends in the political arena is a really really good way to make it apparent you've abandoned all hope.

I pray for Terri, I pray for the President, and I pray all innocent life can be protected.

I'm confident this President is doing a much better job than the realistic alternatives.

We all do what we can. Give all of us some credit, will you? Pope John Paul II was in the USA a few months back. Are you going to lambast him for not visiting Terri? No. Certainly a visit from the vicar of Christ would be a boost for Terri's case. He didn't come, though. It doesn't make her life any less important...

just my thoughts.

RD

28 posted on 10/26/2004 2:25:31 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Well when it went national I and considering the facts of the case which controverts the courts that it would be important to them to go visit Terri and spend some time with her themselves. And yes I do think the Pope should go visit Terri. Why do I not have a right to be mad that when they have been apprised of what is going on they haven't used any of their powers or agents as representatives of those powers to go ahead and get this madness to stop? come hell or highwater?


29 posted on 10/26/2004 2:38:40 PM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93

From the Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics. http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp




WHEN THERE IS NO "ACCEPTABLE" CANDIDATE

In some political races, each candidate takes a wrong position on one or more issues involving non-negotiable moral principles. In such a case you may vote for the candidate who takes the fewest such positions or who seems least likely to be able to advance immoral legislation, or you may choose to vote for no one.

A vote cast in such a situation is not morally the same as a positive endorsement for candidates, laws, or programs that promote intrinsic evils: It is only tolerating a lesser evil to avoid an even greater evil. As Pope John Paul II indicated regarding a situation where it is not possible to overturn or completely defeat a law allowing abortion, “an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality’.”(EV, 73; also CPL, n.4)

Catholics must strive to put in place candidates, laws, and political programs that are in full accord with non-negotiable moral values. Where a perfect candidate, law, or program is not on the table, we are to choose the best option, the one that promotes the greatest good and entails the least evil. Not voting may sometimes be the only moral course of action, but we must consider whether not voting actually promotes good and limits evil in a specific instance. The role of citizens and elected officials is to promote intrinsic moral values as much as possible today, while continuing to work toward better candidates, laws, and programs in the future.




Even if you think President Bush has not done enough to further the pro-life movement, you must admit he is pro-life, and his opponent is not. "Where a perfect candidate, law, or program is not on the table, we are to choose the best option, the one that promotes the greatest good and entails the least evil." The choice here is obvious. President Bush promotes the greatest good, and Jean Kerrie entails the most evil.


30 posted on 10/26/2004 2:59:41 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: pc93
Obviously you're apoplectic regarding this issue, and I don't think it would be helpful to continue discussion.

Good luck with your rage.

RD

31 posted on 10/26/2004 4:07:42 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Whatever.


32 posted on 10/26/2004 5:51:25 PM PDT by pc93
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To: Salvation
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

"THE FIRST COMMANDMENT
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.3

It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."4

The real problem today is that many of the clergy, politicians and laity are breaking the very first commandment.

Whereas God is merciful, He is also just. The United States is in for a rude awakening when God makes it know that what we are doing is making him jealous.

Sodom and Gomorrah will look like child's play when our Lord takes His action.

Let us pray!
33 posted on 10/26/2004 6:09:04 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: pc93; BykrBayb; Recovering_Democrat

RD has a good point above & there is a much wisdom in BB's post 30.

We all need to either support the president this election or be prepared to submit to a Godless judicial oligarchy.


34 posted on 10/26/2004 7:13:48 PM PDT by Huber (I have A PLAN for peace through world government and A PLAN to to limit offensive dissent, and A ...)
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=== from the moment of conception


Or, whoever gets "closest" ... never mind the Soul Kill-Ratio assuming actual Personhood from the moment of conception.

Human farming certainly poised to make abortificient birth control (on which most of the world revolves in place these days) and even the Dross excess manufacture of artificial reproduction look like a drop in the bucket.

Which matters more? The money the deathists take in?

Such as Planned Parenthood's profits as well as underwriting from the state (as compared to the "out the door" budget of the NIH which Bush doubled prior to his decision on ESCR). I don't think the shifting of line items for abortion providers worldwide (particularly when our nation ENSURES "women's reproduction rights" as a first step in each of these "democratizations") compares to the NIH funding.

The number of Persons offed or "sacrificed" for humanitarian purpose?

Is there not something even more gruesome about truly dehumanizing a person into a "clump of cells" (see, Congressional Blue Ribbon Panel and NIH retraction of proposed human experimentation guidelines, Congressional Register, just after the ESCR decision) or referring to those siblings not implanted or surviving any in utero culling the "excess manufacture" of potential people?

I think I'd rather be slapped across the face and know I was alive than caressed by a Clean Hand, a dead man walking and whistling past a graveyard more often than not these days. A good may of the wombs, even, the site of an Atrocity or two.


35 posted on 10/26/2004 7:22:04 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: COBOL2Java

Cannot bring this address up so decided to drop in and
post so I can find it.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1258051


36 posted on 10/29/2004 6:59:27 PM PDT by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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