Posted on 10/15/2004 10:54:13 AM PDT by Stubborn
Prominent in a list of 'suggestions' released yesterday by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of Sacraments is more prayer and singing in Latin, particularly Gregorian chant.
Catholic News Agency reports that the document, titled The Year of the Eucharist: Suggestions and Proposals, encourages "familiarity of Latin, indicating its necessity, especially in housed of formation and in seminaries, for prayer and singing in Latin, particularly Gregorian chant".
Eliminate the positive
and don't mess around with Mr. Thanksgiving
He certainly does.
I don't know what abridged version of the New Testament you're looking at, but the Sermon on the Mount in my Douay-Rheims takes a lot longer than 5 minutes to read, at a speaker's pace.
And Matthew, chapters 5-7 could have been just a part of that remarkable homily, since we know that many more things were said by Our Lord than are contained in the Gospels.
"If you can't say what you have to say in ten minutes, it's not worth saying."
AHA! So.....you, a layman, would so readily dismiss any sermon of greater length then ten minutes?
Then you dismiss the preaching of the Servants of God, AB Fulton J. Sheen, St. John Marie Vianney, St. Alphonsus Liguori, St. Pius V, St. Pius X, St. John of the Cross, St. Anshelm, St. Athanasius, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Charles Borromeo, St. Francis DeSales, St. Pio, St. Francis Xavier< st. Francis Regis, St. Aloysius Gonzaga, St. Ignatius Loyola, St. Isaac Jogues, St. Bernard of Calrivaux, St. Bernard of Cluny, St. Francis of Assisi, St. John Chrysostom, St. Adabert, St. Andrew Bobala, St. Dominic, Damien of Molokai, St. John Neumann, St. John Henry Newman, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. John Fisher, St. Casamir, St. Paul of the Cross, St. Paul the Apostle, St. Maximilian Kolbe, St. John Cantius, St. Vincent De Paul, St. John Bosco, Blessed Miguel Pro.......men who held and taught the Catholic faith by their lives, and in the pulpit.
The Catholic faith. It's a wonderful thing. Try it!
"Papasan" is a term of respect, in Japan."
It's a term of familiarity, less respectful than several others.
You use it in a way similar to the term from the American west, "squaw man," with the same intent to slur and demean.
You and narses seem to feel that the world is interested in your every thought.
Just wondered.
I don't get it. What?
LOL!! Believe me or not. I'm not going to spend a half-hour researching websites for you.
Dear layman, no - nobody on my "ping" list has ever asked me to stop pinging them. They are, of course, free to do so, or simply not to read them if they have not the time. That is their choice. Many of them write me privately either to agree, or politely disagree with things I have said. Some - both Catholic and non - have engaged my in private, civil, and most pleasant debate.
Except for the person whom you most cruelly attacked via insulting the memory of his dead father - as he does not wish to participate in this forum, thanks to your brutality - and use of undue influence with the moderators to hound and abuse Traditionalist Catholic posters.
You should be ahsamed of yourself.
And you have not answere my question in regard to the great Catholic preachers whom I cited in post #84. I guess they would have all bored you.
Personally, I even like some of the things spoken by great evangelical preachers like Billy Graham. They talk a lot longer then 10 minutes, and have much to say which is edifying, even if I have theological disagreement with them.
But ya know what? At least they know whom Jesus Christ is.
I invite you to write a personal email to the Religion Moderator, who is the arbiter of disputes on the religion forum.
Ask him how much influence I have. He will tell you I have none. None.
Since I've never heard any of those preachers you list, save Fulton Sheen, I can't comment on how effective they would be today.
Even Sheen kept his homilies during Mass to ten minutes. Some of the most effective homilies/speeches in history have been short (The Gettysburg Address).
Anybody can talk for 30 minutes. It takes a real pro to condense 30 minutes of material into 10 minutes. Billy Graham did it extremely well on 9/11, as did George W. Bush.
Many can speak at length, if not in depth.
You are a stand-up guy, Thor, that's for sure.
The Lord loves a person so ready to come to the defense of someone he believes was gratuitously wounded because such an action is founded in love. God bless and preserve you and yours.
Sir, you have clearly shown by the viscious, un-Christian personal insults and attacks you have made - on purpose - against fellow Freepers here....with your finger hovering over the abuse button at all times, the better to lash out against those who fall for your baiting, that you are most certainly not a Catholic deacon.
It has been very clearly demonstrated - to anyone who can read - that you have undue influence here, and you lord it over other Freepers.
I feel great pity for you, out of Christian charity but I can not recognize the validity of your diaconate any more. Nor can I be compelled to.
It is patently obvious that you never listened to the sermons of the late, great Servant of god, AB Fulton J. Sheen, whom my family was acquainted with. Whom My family regularly heard preach in NYC. Whom I was priviledged to serve mass with on a number of occasions there. Whose tomb, I have prayed at. Whose intercession I have imvoked in prayer......and have received.
It is also very obvious that you never heard/saw any of his TV programs, where he spoke for a lot more then 10 minutes. He never bored anyone - neither in that forum, nor from the pulpit. He had much to say, and was honored by the TV industry with an Emmy award for it.....and may yet be honored by the Church with the full honors of the altar. This was a man who personally - at great expense of his time - brought many, many converts to Jesus Christ and His Church.
How many have you brought?
"Since I've never heard any of those preachers you list".....then I guess you never studied in a Catholic seminary. As many of the great CATHOLIC preachers I listed are either required or recommended study in seminaries, and in degree programs for ministerial degrees. They are even studied by Protestants ministerial candidates.
You do not need to be alive to have heard them....they speak through their writings, and recorded sermons on paper.
As to how they would be received by contemporary audiences, I think they would do what the proponants/facilitators of the false "spirit" in the church cannot do, and do not wish to do: bring people to know and adore Jesus Christ as their Master and Saviour.
To do that does not require a pretty face. It does require acting ability, nor "stage presence". It requires the Holy Spirit, working through the preacher as a vessel of the saving power and love of God. That is what reaches men's hearts.
Even the devil has "stage presense", and gives it to those who serve him, as he is lord of this world - and it is used to trick and decieve the unwary.
The Holy Spirit does not need a good sound system, appearance, hypnotic powers of appeal by themselves. He only needs a willing vessel to be His mouthpiece.
And a heart that is willing to be spoken to.
"He will tell you I have none. None."
LOL. Sorry Deacon, you've demonstrated the falsehood of that claim more than once.
What an honor!
To do that does not require a pretty face. It does not require acting ability, nor "stage presence". It requires the Holy Spirit, working through the preacher as a vessel of the saving power and love of God. That is what reaches men's hearts.
You're so right.
Even the devil has "stage presense", and gives it to those who serve him, as he is lord of this world - and it is used to trick and decieve the unwary.
Again, YES! I've had the displeasure of witnessing such 'stage presense.' I've had the unbelivable combination of dull- wit, and sharp carnal sense to be guiled by such a fetid presense.
I thank the Good Lord a million times, that he did not desert me, and for lengthening my days long enough for me to climb out of said snake pit.
Suit yourselves.
"I thank the Good Lord a million times, that he did not desert me, and for lengthening my days long enough for me to climb out of said snake pit."
Amen.
"I invite you to write a personal email to the Religion Moderator, who is the arbiter of disputes on the religion forum."
Which does not explain why, on at least two occasions that you invoked your influence with the moderators to intimidate and bullyrag me, it was not the Religion Moderator but the Admin Moderator who came to your aid.
So email the Admin Moderator. I have no idea who any of these people are; they work various shifts, so you may get one one day, another the next, at the same time.
In fact, email Jim Robinson. He'll tell you I'm no more favored around here than you are.
dsc, accusing someone of possessing Satanic influence on a religion forum is a no-no. You know that. At least you do now.
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