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Vatican liturgy body wants more Latin, Gregorian chant
Catholic News ^ | October 15, 2004 | CN

Posted on 10/15/2004 10:54:13 AM PDT by Stubborn

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To: Stubborn
It wasn't I who was kicked out, although perhaps I should have been. It was the Mass of the ages which was kicked out, without so much as a goodbye.
61 posted on 10/16/2004 5:02:21 PM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: sinkspur
What about Mass? Where is the King of Kings during the Holy Sacrifice - HIS Holy Sacrifice? Off in a booth in some corner of the church? I will never see how anyone can possibly believe that was ever the appropriate thing to do.

It seems like more of an insult than anything.

62 posted on 10/16/2004 5:08:05 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: k omalley
Ahh, I see. the Mass of the ages which was kicked out, without so much as a goodbye - Ain't that the ever loving truth!
63 posted on 10/16/2004 5:09:30 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: sinkspur
BTW, I invite you (and all) to click my name and tell me if you have ever heard such beauty echo from the pulpit of the novus ordo. It is, after all, the year of the Holy Eucharist.

This preaching is foreign in the last 40 years, yet this is typical of what was commonly heard from the pulpits, by real live Priests when they used to preach at Mass, when we had The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Its also the type of preaching that needs to be preached if there will ever be a hope of attracting private devotion to Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist - the Pope declaring this "the year of the Eucharist" is simply not enough to do squat in this day and age.

64 posted on 10/16/2004 5:20:15 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn; Pio; pascendi; sdsurfer; narses; Canticle_of_Deborah; dsc; rogator; Maeve; ELS; ...

The concept that the awful and majestic reality of the Blessed Sacrament can (or ever could) be seperated into the "static" and "active" presense is both erroneous and ludicrous. It creates the false impression that such a distinction can be made at all......and that these two concepts are somehow at odds with each other, competing for the worshippers attention, or in theological or logistical conflict.

There is no difference between the so-called "static" & "active" presense of Christ in the Eucharist; for they are one and the same - indivisible and indispensible.

Christ exists, both in time and eternity. In the same manner in which he was sacrificed once on Calvary, yet is mystically and in an unbloody manner sacrificed around the clock all over the world upon thousands of altars. Such is only possible by the power of God - as it is a miracle.

In the same manner of considering time and eternity, Christ exists wholly and completely in the reserved Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle of a high altar, even as he is again sacrificed - in an unbloody manner - right before it upon the altar. He is equally and totally present - one & the same, at the same moment, in both. One does not diminish the other. One does not distract from the other.

The story that the "new arrangement" within the sanctuary allows people to focus more on what is happening upon the altar is from the Father of Lies. The altar was always the focal point of a church, and of the attention of the faithful at mass.

Christ exemplified and prefigured the Eucharist in this wise by the miracle of the loaves and fishes.....where he fed thousands with a few pieces of bread and fish, miraculously multiplying it....and having a tremendous abundance of it left over, to ne gathered up to feed yet others. Get it?

Any purported difference between the Christ in the Tabernacle and the one sacrificed upon the altar is false. It is an error. It is not correct teaching. It diminishes and confuses people's faith. That is its purpose, as all error is ultimately from the Evil One.

What else could explain the feverish desire to remove Christ from the churches.....leaving nothing to pray to and genuflect to. Except to destroy belief in the Eucharist. Except to remove Christ from our churches. Excpet to rationalize the closing of our churches during the day, as the Sacrament is not present. Except to destroy the fervor for both public and private Eucharistic adoration.


66 posted on 10/16/2004 5:45:41 PM PDT by thor76 (Our Lady of La Sallette, pray for us. Marie Julie Jehany, pray for us!)
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To: Stubborn
That is not a homily; it is a meditation. Homilies are meant to relate the exegesis of the Scriptures of the Day.

BTW, there is no such word as "immolatively." Look it up.

67 posted on 10/16/2004 5:57:43 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur
immolate >verb kill or offer as a sacrifice, especially by burning.

-DERIVATIVES immolation >noun.

-ORIGIN Latin immolare 'sprinkle with sacrificial meal', from mola 'meal'.

Got it now?

You are really a piece of work. So go ahead and belittle the whole message and all the beauty that it bespeaks because of a word. I guess I shouldn't be suprised, I was just kinda hoping that you weren't actually that far gone.

68 posted on 10/16/2004 6:47:31 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn
There is no such adverb as "immolatively." Your own post proves it. It is a bastardization of "immolate."

Similar to the ridiculous "tasking" that we hear in frequent misuse.

The message, spoken as a homily today, would put people to sleep. It is a meditation, not a homily.

69 posted on 10/16/2004 6:53:22 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

"The worldwide Catholic population in 1966 was approximately 600 million; it is now over 1 billion. In the United States, the Catholic population was 46 million; it is now 62 million."


Purely nominal and meaningless. There is now little that binds most of these people other than a desire for a comfortable life, full access to the pleasures of the day and an obsessive attachment to all things mundane.


70 posted on 10/16/2004 6:55:45 PM PDT by Wessex
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To: thor76
There is no difference between the so-called "static" & "active" presense of Christ in the Eucharist; for they are one and the same - indivisible and indispensible.

Obviously thor76, you did not get the memo. Christ is present in all of us, especially when "two or three are gathered in His name" - thats one reason why the Eucharist became dispensible when this revelation was discovered some 40 years ago - thats how He dwells in Protestant congregations and every thing! Thats why He has no need to be present on the altar at His own sacrifice....sheesh, where have you been?

After 40 years of having that crap fed to everyone, suddenly we are supposed to do what, celebrate? the year of the Eucharist?

btw - GREAT post! :-)

71 posted on 10/16/2004 6:56:36 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Wessex
There is now little that binds most of these people other than a desire for a comfortable life, full access to the pleasures of the day and an obsessive attachment to all things mundane.

Besides being true, very well put.

72 posted on 10/16/2004 7:02:33 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ("Truth stood on one side and Ease on the other; it has often been so." Theodore Parker)
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To: Wessex
There is now little that binds most of these people other than a desire for a comfortable life, full access to the pleasures of the day and an obsessive attachment to all things mundane.

The exploding Catholic population in Africa ask you to define "mundane".

73 posted on 10/16/2004 7:02:58 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

I am guessing that overall, you represent the novus ordo.If this puts you to sleep, then I have been giving the novus ordo the benefit of the doubt for far too long because there is no love of God left in it, only love of self.


74 posted on 10/16/2004 7:04:50 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn
If this puts you to sleep,

It puts me to sleep.

If you can't say what you have to say in ten minutes, it's not worth saying.

75 posted on 10/16/2004 7:06:19 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

I see, you are that smart then. I hope this year of the Eucharist, you let God speak more than ten minutes.


76 posted on 10/16/2004 7:08:40 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: sinkspur; Stubborn

"If you can't say what you have to say in ten minutes, it's not worth saying."


Well, I guess Our Lord was just wasting His time, since the Sermon on the Mount probably took a lot longer than ten minutes.


77 posted on 10/16/2004 7:10:08 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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To: Deo volente

I had no idea sink was that smart.


78 posted on 10/16/2004 7:13:17 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Deo volente
Well, I guess Our Lord was just wasting His time, since the Sermon on the Mount probably took a lot longer than ten minutes.

How do you know? From what we have of it, it took five minutes.

79 posted on 10/16/2004 7:14:14 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Stubborn
I hope this year of the Eucharist, you let God speak more than ten minutes.

He doesn't need my permission.

80 posted on 10/16/2004 7:18:26 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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