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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; kosta50
Second, this Arminian scheme for the salvation of infants denies the Biblical doctrine of the sinfulness of the whole human race, including infants.

Sadly, the Calvinist's seem to have inherited the false Catholic doctrine of original sin.

To the Orthodox Christian original sin only applies to Adam and Eve. Since they were thrown out of paradise their offspring live with that consequence but they do not inherit that sin.

Only a psychopathic God would punish a child for the sin of the parent.

80 posted on 10/17/2004 12:52:38 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro; redgolum; MarMema; kosta50; Kolokotronis; the_doc
Sadly, the Calvinist's seem to have inherited the false Catholic doctrine of original sin.

I dearly love the Eastern Orthodox -- And how could I not?

That said, you are correct -- as regards the Mechanics of Salvation Theology (i.e., "Soteriology"), we Calvinists are more Augustinian than even Augustine himself. This is a difference between our Tradition and Eastern Orthodoxy. I do not deny these differences, nor do I apologize for them.

If the Bible teaches the Doctrine of Original Sin, then as a Calvinist, I MUST BELIEVE IT.

Tell me of your Icons, your Incense, your incredibly-beautiful Liturgy, your Monasticism, commitment to Holiness and Humility, and even the Fact that Theologians categorize Eastern Orthodoxy as "The Church of Love" (just as they regard Romanism as "The Church of Law", and Protestantism as "The Church of Faith").

Tell me of every aspect of your beautiful Orthodox faith, Destro... and you will have both my Envy and my Appreciation. The Incense of Orthodoxy is sweet, and even its Antidoron is delightful and welcome to a Calvinist like me.

But if the Bible teaches the Doctrine of Original Sin, then as a Calvinist, I MUST BELIEVE IT.

To the Orthodox Christian original sin only applies to Adam and Eve. Since they were thrown out of paradise their offspring live with that consequence but they do not inherit that sin.

But THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES, Destro!!

The Fact is, the Bible teaches that Adam was both the Federal-Representative and Organic-Patriarchal Head and Representative of the Entire Race of Man. When Adam Fell, he spiritually-murdered the entire Race of Man.

Once the nature of Spiritual Death is correctly understood according to the teachings of Scripture, it becomes clearly evident that it is Biblically-impermissible to teach that Unregenerate men "respond to" and "choose God" prior to God's own monergistic Regeneration of their dead spirits.

And God regenerates whomsoever He will, according to His own Election.

DESTRO -- You would not dare to complain against a Son who inherits the wealth of his Father, would you? Would you Bitch and Moan if you inherited $100 Million Dollars which was Gained for you by your Father? Then how can you Complain that the Race of Man has inherited the Spiritual Death of Our Father, Adam?

I bet you wouldn't be complaining much if Adam had chosen Life and Obedience, and thus secured for you Total Everlasting Happiness before you were ever born -- would you?

The Fact is, God offered Adam Eternal Life and Everlasting Happiness for him and all his descendants FOREVER, and Adam chose Rebellion instead of Obedience.

And thus -- by both Federal-Representation and Organic-Generation -- Adam earned for himself and all his descendants Eternal Death, rather than Eternal Life.

It's totally Fair. By the Law of Inheritance, God can offer to Adam either Eternal Life or Eternal Death, and it's Adam's Choice as to which Inheritance he will pass down to his Descendants.

Adam chose to pass down Eternal Death to his descendants. Don't blame God; blame Adam.

Only a psychopathic God would punish a child for the sin of the parent.

You might as well say, "Only a psychopathic God would grant a child Everlasting Life for the Obedience of his Parent".

But God was prepared to grant the Entire Race of Man Eternal Life and Everlasting Happiness for Adam and all his descendants FOREVER; and by both Federal-Representation and Organic-Generation, Adam chose SPIRITUAL DEATH for himself and all his descendants.

Them's are the Biblical Facts. Don't blame God; blame Adam.

Best, OP

81 posted on 10/17/2004 4:15:00 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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