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To: xzins
I thought we'd end up agreeing except for maybe the "speaking" thing.

Mmm... I still say that if a regenerate infant can -- literally, not "metaphorically" -- leap for joy in the presence of his Savior, then the Bible does teach that infants can "communicate" in some manner on a rudimentary moral level. And so, I believe that Psalm 58:3 teaches that the natural communications of (fallen, unregenerate) Man are sinful from Infancy.

But, nevermind -- that's not really the main issue. It is enough to say that Psalm 58:3 does teach that Infants are Sinners.

34 posted on 10/15/2004 7:58:08 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

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35 posted on 10/15/2004 8:00:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
But, nevermind -- that's not really the main issue. It is enough to say that Psalm 58:3 does teach that Infants are Sinners.

Until I see a talking newborn, I'll have to agree to disagree about Psalms 58:3. I can't see a process where sometime between conception and birth, a baby who does not know to choose right or wrong is led away of his own lusts (James 1:14-15) transgresses the law (I John 3:4) and thus separates himself from God. (Isaiah 59:1-2)

38 posted on 10/15/2004 8:24:38 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; All
Here's an interesting thought from Dr. Piper:

Infants die, therefore they are not innocent Death--both physical and spiritual--is a result of sin (Romans 5:12; 6:23). Thus, death only comes upon those who have sinned. Since infants die, they therefore must be sinners. It could be objected that Christ was sinless, and yet He died. But He willingly gave up His life, and He did it to conquer the curse of death that we were under. In fact, God imputed to Christ our sins on the cross, and Christ died in punishment of those sins.

What is the biblical evidence for original sin?

Now, if the reason we die is because of our sin nature, why do babies who are innocent die?

49 posted on 10/15/2004 9:54:00 AM PDT by HarleyD
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