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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
But, nevermind -- that's not really the main issue. It is enough to say that Psalm 58:3 does teach that Infants are Sinners.

Until I see a talking newborn, I'll have to agree to disagree about Psalms 58:3. I can't see a process where sometime between conception and birth, a baby who does not know to choose right or wrong is led away of his own lusts (James 1:14-15) transgresses the law (I John 3:4) and thus separates himself from God. (Isaiah 59:1-2)

38 posted on 10/15/2004 8:24:38 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Until I see a talking newborn, I'll have to agree to disagree about Psalms 58:3. I can't see a process where sometime between conception and birth, a baby who does not know to choose right or wrong is led away of his own lusts (James 1:14-15) transgresses the law (I John 3:4) and thus separates himself from God. (Isaiah 59:1-2)

Psalm 58:3 teaches that Infants do transgress the law.

Even if it's a "metaphor", it's still a metaphor for the teaching "Infants are Sinners" -- certainly not the teaching "Infants are not Sinners". A "metaphor" isn't something that means the OPPOSITE of what it says.

And it's not just Psalm 58:3. From the Article:

As is demonstrated by these Scriptures, any creature which is included in the Set of "Human Beings born of Adam" are, without any exceptions whatsoever, naturally Sinners and Separate from God.

Are Infants members of the Set "Human Beings born of Adam"? Indeed they are. Therefore, they fall under the teachings of these Scriptures. Since Infants are included in that Set, Infants are therefore naturally Sinners and Separate from God.

42 posted on 10/15/2004 8:47:18 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I know that I am joining this a bit late, but have you ever read Augustine's Confessions? He makes a pretty good case that while he was an infant, he did sin even though he did not have any memory of it. Something about being selfish, demanding, and not respecting his parents.
139 posted on 10/19/2004 8:25:03 AM PDT by redgolum (Molon labe)
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