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To: P-Marlowe; Starwind; xzins; Corin Stormhands

No conjecture, just fact. Once again I've seen nothing offered by you, Starwind or anyone else that would explain my original question about Cornelius dying between the time of meeting with the angel and meeting with Peter. Would he be saved? Starwind says no even though it was God's desire to bring Cornelius to Himself. What do you say?

Starwind-It's convenient for you (as well as others) to offer no solutions to these events but a tad disingenious when I explain it in a consistent manner with the theological views presented in this article and then you chastise me for my "fruit salad" theology. You have no way of explaining these events because your theological perception is based upon a flawed premise as illustrated by your response. I'm confident you would also be unable to explain how God could have appeared to Abraham in Genesis Chapter 12 and Abraham be justified in Chapter 15. It's the same situation only in the Old Testament.

I at least know the ingredience of fruit salad.


295 posted on 10/31/2004 2:52:11 PM PST by HarleyD ("My wrath is kindled...because you have not spoken of Me what is right" Job 42:7)
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To: HarleyD; Starwind; P-Marlowe

One of the neat things about infants is their lack of understanding. We know that they don't understand because we know that they don't know very much at all.

How do we know this?

Because we ourselves know that even this past week, for example, we have learned some new thing. We know that knowledge is an accumulation. Likewise, we become aware that understanding derives from learning to balance knowledge.

Sometime in the past we were infants but now we are adults.

We cannot claim to be ignorant, for example, of the choices before us in this election. We are for the president or we are for his opponent or one of the others who have no hope of winning.

Harley, are you a Bush supporter?


296 posted on 10/31/2004 3:16:43 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: HarleyD
You have no way of explaining these events because your theological perception is based upon a flawed premise as illustrated by your response.

The events you inquired about (what if Cornelius died before meeting with Peter) were hypothetical! They did not happen!

Explanations of events that did not happen are not explanations. I didn't offer explanations of why the bush didn't burn either, did I? Or why Lazarus didn't rise when Christ called him, did I? Is that how you form your doctrine? From the multitude of hypotheticals not recorded in scripture?

God obviously wanted Cornelius to meet with Peter and Cornelius did not die, did he? Cornelius was elect and ultimately saved, wasn't he? And he believed before being regenerated, didn't he?

And that, HarleyD, is your real complaint. That what did in fact happen is entirely consistent with what is in fact in scripture, as I have patiently explained, til now.

You're upset because I refuse to fabricate doctrine to support events that did not happen whereas that seems your primary approach, and then you get indignant when your fabrications and false premises are disproven.

And I said word-salad, not fruit salad. word-salad as in jumbled, disordered, without structure or logic.

Your views are not fruity (as in crazy or insane). They're just ill-considered and unsupported by scripture. But you already knew that or you wouldn't be standing scripture and English on their heads.

You'd simply quote the passages that show Cornelius being regenerated and sealed before he heard or believed.

But there aren't any, are there?

297 posted on 10/31/2004 3:31:55 PM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; Starwind; xzins; Corin Stormhands
I at least know the ingredience of fruit salad.

What part of TULIP is about 'ingreience'?

308 posted on 10/31/2004 4:42:47 PM PST by connectthedots
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