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Still Proud Of Bishops He Gave U.S.
DOTM ^ | September 26, 2002 | Paul Likoudis

Posted on 09/24/2004 8:10:11 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/24/2004 8:10:11 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...

Compliments of ... Defenders of the Magisterium

2 posted on 09/24/2004 8:13:36 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: NYer
Archbishop Jean Jadot, Pope Paul VI's apostolic delegate to the United States from 1973-1980, has no regrets about the spate of bad bishops he inflicted on the Catholics of this country.

That's such a shame.

3 posted on 09/24/2004 8:15:14 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: NYer
"Pride" ...

Seems to me I've seen "Pride" in a list with seven entries, somewhere.

4 posted on 09/24/2004 8:18:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: NYer

Great article with some interesting names here and there.

Hnnnnnn


5 posted on 09/24/2004 8:21:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
Jadot was struck by Mahony's advocacy for migrant grape pickers and his close involvement with Cesar Chavez.

Bingo, I got this fool's number.

6 posted on 09/24/2004 8:25:20 AM PDT by ikka
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To: NYer

"When I asked Jadot what qualities he would like to see in the next Pope, he said: 'I would like, to see a Pope who is ready to listen."

And what kind of Pontifex Maximus would it be that would listen to the likes of this decrepit old quean?

Listen to his confession, sure.


7 posted on 09/24/2004 8:26:37 AM PDT by dsc
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To: NYer; Salvation; sartorius; Aquinasfan; ninenot; Pyro7480
"On December 3, 1968, attending a conference of Catholic and Buddhist monks, Jadot had an hour's fascinating conversation with Thomas Merton, the Trappist poet and author who had become a peace activist. Two hours later, Rembert Weakland, the abbot primate of the Benedictines (who was also attending the conference), rushed to Jadot's room to tell him Merton had just been electrocuted in his bath. Together, Jadot and Weakland negotiated the release of Merton's body with the Thai government and arranged for its transfer to the United States..."

Gee, that's odd. Curioser and curioser.

After all the sordid absurdity and grotesque tragedies that have been revealed, you do begin to wonder exactly who or...ahem...what has been prowling and roaming the halls and corridors of the church all these years. Bizarre.

8 posted on 09/24/2004 8:30:03 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: dsc
'I would like, to see a Pope who is ready to listen."

Well, in a sense ... the Pope should be ready to listen to the Holy Spirit.

Not sure that's what Jadot meant, though...

9 posted on 09/24/2004 8:43:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

I had no idea Merton died that way. His Seven Story Mountain is an inspiring read.


11 posted on 09/24/2004 9:42:16 AM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC; NYer
"Death by Misadventure" at a Catholic religious conference. Worthy of Agatha Christie, Miss Marple or Hercule Poirot. Murder Most Catholic???

We read Merton's Seven Storey Mountain at a theology course at Georgetown. The Jesuit professor mentioned Merton's unusual death. I did NOT know about the individuals reported to have seen him alive last. That's rather bizarre.

12 posted on 09/24/2004 9:47:44 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Merton seems very Orthodox in Seven Story Mountain, did he remain so the rest of his life? I know he was a Peace Activist and the like, but there is nothing wrong and inconsistent with that.


13 posted on 09/24/2004 9:55:59 AM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NYer

The fact that Jadot comes from wealth adds up, doesn't it?

Very interesting article--and the named Bishops all did share a very embarrassing and expensive difficulty, too.

Hmmmmmm.


14 posted on 09/24/2004 10:17:03 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: dsc
Listen to his confession, sure

You assume that the next Pope will have the TIME for that, which may, with proper spiritual direction, last for a couple of months.

15 posted on 09/24/2004 10:18:34 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

The only "name" missing from the Jadot acquaintances is Bugger Bugnini--but I'm sure they were acquainted in some way or fashion.

One can hardly be a good Friend of Rembert without knowing Bugger.


16 posted on 09/24/2004 10:20:03 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: seamole

Look, I'm as willing to defend the Church as anybody here--but your take on Law is myopic. He buried the reports, ran the old "slimebag shuffle" and denied, denied, denied, until it was perfectly obvious that the smell was coming from the Chancery.

Yes, he inherited a stinking mess--but he should have recognized the signs because of his experience with IDENTICAL problems in Missouri (and, IIRC, in Florida)


17 posted on 09/24/2004 10:22:18 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Given the tremendous damage and costs of the "progressive" style and grotesquely sensationalist scandals within the church, the whole homosexual/Communist/KGB/secret society angle should be investigated thoroughly.

No...uh...stone unturned, as it were.


18 posted on 09/24/2004 10:37:56 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Ummmmm, yeah.

Bugger Bugnini was reputed to be a Mason, and Malichi Martin believed there were quite a few of those types floating about in the Curia.

The queer-band within the Curia is also influential both by numbers AND by mis-direction/artful manipulation/connections.

OTOH, thus it will ever be. When it's not Masons and queers, it will be commies and/or thieves, cuckolders--whatnot.

Good to know as a matter of fact that the Church will persevere, ain'a? Almost impossible to believe, given what we know...


19 posted on 09/24/2004 10:54:30 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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Merton seems very Orthodox in Seven Story Mountain, did he remain so the rest of his life? 13 posted on 09/24/2004 9:55:59 AM PDT by NWU Army ROTC (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)

That's a little unclear. I am not exactly an expert on Merton's theology, so I hesitate to speculate. There have been various rumors. Merton had a slightly checkered past. He had fathered a child out of wedlock prior to his conversion. His experiences at Cambridge and Columbia University placed him, shall we say, left-of-center.

In The Seven Storey Mountain, he attributes reading Etienne Gilson's The Spirit of Mediaeval Philosophy as providing some of the inspiration for his conversion.

Assuming he was genuinely inspired by Gilson, that would tend to place things in the orthodox camp.

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Etienne Gilson[Atyen´ zhElsON´], 1884–1978, French philosopher and historian, b. Paris.

He taught the history of medieval philosophy at the Sorbonne (1921–32) and then took the chair of medieval philosophy at the College de France. In 1929 he helped found the Pontifical Institute of Medieval Studies at Toronto, Canada. Although primarily a historian of philosophy, he was also one of the leaders of the Roman Catholic neo-Thomist movement. He was elected to the French Academy in 1946. Among his works are The Philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas (1919, tr. 1924); The Christian Philosophy of Saint Augustine (1929, tr. 1960); The Spirit of Mediaeval Philosophy (2 vol., 1932, tr. 1936); God and Philosophy (1941); Being and Some Philosophers (1949); and The Philosopher and Theology (1960, tr. 1962).

http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/G/Gilson-E.html

20 posted on 09/24/2004 10:55:55 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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