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To: Kolokotronis; Vicomte13; NYer
but in all honesty, what do you do with the different phronemas of the East and the West?

A very good point -- but you forget that the Maronite Church in Lebanon is in full communion with the Latin church and it, presumably (NYer please correct me if I am wrong) has the same phronema as the Orthodox churchs. THe Latin church does not and should NOT impose its traditions on other churchs. Our basic dogma, our theologies being the same we should at the very least present a united front to our enemies -- liberals and slammies and communists
78 posted on 09/27/2004 1:17:00 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos; Kolokotronis; Vicomte13
A very good point -- but you forget that the Maronite Church in Lebanon is in full communion with the Latin church and it, presumably (NYer please correct me if I am wrong) has the same phronema as the Orthodox churchs.

The word phronema, is new for me. If by phronema it is intended

"the biblico-patristic Tradition the whole turn of mind which prevails in a man from the way in which he lives, and from the relationship which he has with God."

then, yes, the Maronites exemplify this within the Catholic Church. The Maronite Church is one of 22 churches within the one universal Catholic Church. A Church is a community of faith having a distinct tradition, theology, spirituality, liturgy, hierarchy, and canon law. At the same time, each church enjoys an autonomy ( Sui iuris ) and independence from its sister churches. All of the churches are united in the same profession of Faith, in the same celebration of the Sacraments, and in the same hierarchal unity.

101 posted on 09/27/2004 7:53:53 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: Cronos; Kolokotronis; Vicomte13; NYer
but in all honesty, what do you do with the different phronemas of the East and the West?

We do exactly what the early church would have done: we get under the same roof and we work it out on the fly. If converts from Jews and Gentiles, two groups that couldn't be more different if they tried, can figure out how to worship God in truth and in unity, then so can we.

I think our differences can be hashed out in a council. That may actually be the easy part. The hard part will probably be with the Orthodox Laity. But I'm just guessing here.

119 posted on 09/27/2004 5:45:52 PM PDT by monkfan (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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