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To: NYer

" "I read Jesus' giving "the power of the keys, to loose and to bind" to Peter as Jesus himself creating the papacy"

Vicomte13 points to something all catholics have been taught and believe. When Christ handed the keys to Peter, He said: "upon this rock (not rocks), I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." The Catholic Church has an unbroken line of successors to Peter. "

I just can't resist this: Matt: 18:18, 19:28, Eph: 2:20 and LK: 22:24-27. :)

Have a good Sunday, sister!


65 posted on 09/26/2004 6:21:38 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
I just can't resist this: Matt: 18:18, 19:28, Eph: 2:20 and LK: 22:24-27. :)

Matt: 18:18 - Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Basis for the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Matt: 19:28 - Jesus said to them, "Amen, I say to you that you who have followed me, in the new age, when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory, will yourselves sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
[28] This saying, directed to the Twelve, is from Q; see Luke 22:29-30. The new age: the Greek word here translated "new age" occurs in the New Testament only here and in Titus 3:5. Literally, it means "rebirth" or "regeneration," and is used in Titus of spiritual rebirth through baptism. Here it means the "rebirth" effected by the coming of the kingdom. Since that coming has various stages (see the notes on Matthew 3:2; 4:17), the new age could be taken as referring to the time after the resurrection when the Twelve will govern the true Israel, i.e., the church of Jesus. (For "judge" in the sense of "govern," cf Judges 12:8, 9, 11; 15:20; 16:31; Psalm 2:10). But since it is connected here with the time when the Son of Man will be seated on his throne of glory, language that Matthew uses in Matthew 25:31 for the time of final judgment, it is more likely that what the Twelve are promised is that they will be joined with Jesus then in judging the people of Israel. - New American Bible

Eph: 2:20 - built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the capstone.
Capstone: the Greek can also mean cornerstone or keystone. New American Bible

Lk: 22:24-27 - Then an argument broke out among them about which of them should be regarded as the greatest.
25 9 He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and those in authority over them are addressed as 'Benefactors';
26 but among you it shall not be so. Rather, let the greatest among you be as the youngest, and the leader as the servant.
27 For who is greater: the one seated at table or the one who serves? Is it not the one seated at table? I am among you as the one who serves.

* * * * *

Pulling pieces of scripture can go both ways. If you continue with Luke 22, you will find the primacy of Peter in 28-32:

28 It is you who have stood by me in my trials;
29 and I confer a kingdom on you, just as my Father has conferred one on me,
30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom; and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 10 11 "Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat,
32 but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers."

Jesus assures the apostles that they all have authority, but then he singles out Peter, conferring upon him a special pastoral authority over the other disciples which he is to exercise by strengthening their faith (22:31–32).

In John 21:15–17, with only the other disciples present (cf. John 21:2), Jesus asks Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?"—in other words, is Peter more devoted to him than the other disciples? When Peter responds that he is, Jesus instructs him: "Feed my lambs" (22:15). Thus we see Jesus describing the other disciples, the only other people who are present, the ones whom Jesus refers to as "these," as part of the lambs that he instructs Peter to feed, giving him the role of pastor (shepherd) over them. Again, a reference to Peter having more than merely a primacy of honor with respect to the other apostles, but a primacy of pastoral discipline as well.

Ultimately, what unites us is far greater than what separates us. I do believe that one day the Catholics and Orthodox, will be reunited :-).

Have a blessed day!

68 posted on 09/26/2004 11:10:31 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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