[Kolokotronis]

"And you can raise that canard again, forgetting that the Crusaders of the First Crusade were treated as sub-human by the Easterners."

Well...your point is? In my family, the tradition is that the first Crusade was filled with foul smelling, filthy, uneducated drooling louts who really made quite a mess. Confidentially, I hear they actually bought their own silver. Tich, tich! How would you have had us treat such creatures?

[Tantumergo]

"In my family, the tradition is that the first Crusade was filled with foul smelling, filthy, uneducated drooling louts who really made quite a mess."

But I thought the Turks were on the other side?

[Cronos]

Well...your point is? In my family, the tradition is that the first Crusade was filled with foul smelling, filthy, uneducated drooling louts who really made quite a mess.

Exactly my point -- you see it one way, the West sees it differently. Who's correct? Well, after 1000 years, who knows? maybe the truth was somewhere in between. However, if you just look at things from what you've heard and disregarding the other point of view that is quite incorrect