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To: Stubborn
More especially 2Thes. 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

I realize that your ploy is to go off in as many different directions and bunny trails as possible, that way you can never be pinned down to any one belief, so I will deal with these scripture you post because that’s what trusting the word is all about.

2Thes. 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
Gal. 1:8,9: if anyone, if we ourselves or an angel from heaven, should preach a Gospel at variance with the Gospel we preached to you, let him be anathema.

Please answer these questions.
What or who’s traditions are they to stand fast with?
When did they learn them?
Who would have given them the verbal word?
Were the letters Paul wrote to the churches the epistles he referred to?
Did Paul mean that they could develop traditions from anyone other then what he preached?
Did Paul tell them they could develop traditions from others who preached a different gospel then he did?
If only Paul preached the true Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles, then isn’t it true that anything that isn’t in his Gospel would be at variance with it, and therefore be accursed?
Did Paul mean that anyone who preached from his time on would be fine to make tradition of?
If an angle came to you from heaven, and preached a different gospel then what Paul taught, how would you know it was different if you didn’t have his epistle to compare it with?

Please answer these, since it was you who posted them to support your own belief in traditions.

JH :)

368 posted on 09/28/2004 9:30:43 AM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
What or who’s traditions are they to stand fast with?

The unwritten traditions of the Apostles. They are no less to be recieved than their Epistles. The Apostles did not deliver all things that were to be believed by writing, but many things by word of mouth only, which have been perpetuated by tradition, and these traditions, no less than the writings of the Apostles, are deserving of faith.

When did they learn them?

Don't know the exact date off hand but I would say it was when some days after Our Lord's Ascension, the Holy Ghost, the Third Person of the most Blessed Trinity, sent down by Jesus triumphant, descended upon the Apostles, as audible as wind, as visible as a dove, to evoke the messages of Christianity from raging tongues of fire, and to make the men who announced it to the world sheer targets for blazing martyrdoms that God will ever remember and the world can never forget.

Who would have given them the verbal word?

God

Were the letters Paul wrote to the churches the epistles he referred to?

Yes. They, along with his verbal teachings and admonitions.

Did Paul mean that they could develop traditions from anyone other then what he preached?

No.

Did Paul tell them they could develop traditions from others who preached a different gospel then he did?

No.

If only Paul preached the true Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles, then isn’t it true that anything that isn’t in his Gospel would be at variance with it, and therefore be accursed?

Yes.

Did Paul mean that anyone who preached from his time on would be fine to make tradition of?

No.

If an angle came to you from heaven, and preached a different gospel then what Paul taught, how would you know it was different if you didn’t have his epistle to compare it with?

Because of what I have been taught by word as well as by reading.

369 posted on 09/28/2004 10:14:39 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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