Posted on 09/11/2004 6:35:23 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
Somerville must be a fan of Gabe Huck.
You put in very stark terms what this is all about for the SSPXers: it's about deafeating fellow Catholics.
The SSPX has already lost, it just doesn't realize it yet.
"Because if you do not accept the New Mass then you do not accept the Church that sanctions it."
The Church does not sanction it.
Eh?
That's right. I regard the Church as a supernatural entity that is 2000 years old, and has existence independently of the mortal men who occupy positions of authority at any given time.
Some mortal men have sanctioned the NO, that's all.
The NO and the rest of the Modernist Heresy will pass, but the Church will remain.
"it's about deafeating fellow Catholics."
No, it's about defeating those who seek to lead Catholics astray.
Like Pope John Paul II and 2500 bishops in every country of the world?
When do you plan to follow Somerville over the cliff? Surely there's an integrist chapel in Nippon-land somewhere.
You have a misunderstanding of the Church. The Church is part supernatural and part of this world, one foot in heaven and one foot here. We are a part of the Church in our complete wholeness body and soul. Christ began the lineage passed on to St Peter to Pope John Paul II. Faith in Christ compels to accept both His Church and this authority. If you say that the Church is just supernatural, that leaves you free to create the Church as you desire it to be.
I too have grave reservations about the misuse by secular Catholics of Vatican II. If anyone leaves the Church, I would prefer it to be these Catholics who are not Catholic at all rather than those of the Society who are attempting to follow traditional teachings. The secular Catholics would like nothing more than for people who think as you to leave the Church.
The SSPX is hanging on to the lex orandi of 2k years - the result is the unchanged lex credendi - something the modernist church authorities despise.
If SSPX is already lost, it is in very good company.
I am no SSPXer, but I do admire them for their preservation of the Holy Sacrifice and Catholic teachings, without them any reference at all to the teachings of the Perennial Magisterium would be burried in the land of modernist ambiguities.
You put in very stark terms what this is all about for the SSPXers: it's about deafeating fellow Catholics.
But the novus ordo has all but defeated fellow Catholics, if SSPX ever accepts the new mass, I think it would serve to show their defeat.
So, you try to have it both ways.
You "admire" the SSPX for preserving Catholic teachings, yet you remain in the Church headed by that horned modernist, John Paul II.
If the SSPX never accepts the Novus Ordo, it will always remain outside the walls, period.
My own opinion is that Fellay and Williamson and crowd better get the best deal they can while JPII is still alive.
There's no sympathy for them among the Curia, and the next Pope will not likely put up with the headaches they cause.
They are destined to become the next "Old Catholic" sect.
There is nothing authentic about the New Mass--it is a subversive liturgy at odds with the Catholic faith. While it is valid and licit--it is offensive and blaphemous as well. The problem is Rome--and ecclesiastics like this cardinal.
There is no call to be unified with novelty and error. There is one Catholic faith--and those who push for another faith are apostates, no matter how high up the ecclesiastical scale you go.
There is no sympathy for them because the sspx has thus far suceeded in preserving the faith that the novus ordo church has all but demolished.
As long as they preserve the faith and the Mass of the perennial magisterium rather than destroy it or change it, they have no fear of becoming the next "Old Catholic sect".
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel...But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed." St. Paul to the Galatians 1:6-9.
You are listening to a new Gospel. It is not the traditional Catholic faith. It cannot be--nor will it be. Not even an angel from Heaven, let alone a pope or a bishop, can change the faith nor substitute another faith for the traditional one by thrusting novelties upon the rest of us. Such men must be resisted.
"It's a tiny little universe they live in."
Just the opposite. We live in communion with the Catholic Church throughout the ages and all the popes and saints and councils that preceded the modernist Church. That is a much wider universe than you can possibly imagine. On the other hand, the Novus Ordo Church is actually getting smaller, not bigger--and it limits its vision to the present, almost completely ignoring its own past. This is why it has been almost wiped out entirely in Europe and is in obvious decline everywhere else. The rejection of Tradition has been a catastrophe of the first order--which the modernist Church even yet refuses to acknowledge.
Most Catholics may be oblivious to the SSPX--but Rome is not. For good reason. It knows the SSPX is the living embodiment of the ancient Church--as it believed and practiced the faith for two thousand years. It is therefore Catholic Tradition itself--standing four-square against modernist novelty. As such it is much feared and resented.
God bless Fr. Somerville for his defense of the Faith!!!
You have it exactly wrong. It is the New Mass which rejects the Council of Trent. If the new liturgy rejects Trent, then it rejects the teaching of the Catholic Church itself--which those who push the Novus Ordo obviously and blatantly do. Cardinal Ratzinger has made this very point at Fontgombault. The modern Church cannot have it both ways. It can't demand obedience and adherence to something that rejects a major Council of the Church while at the same time claiming dogmatic Councils are infallible. That is self-contradictory nonsense. If Trent was wrong--as modernists are claiming--then the Church loses any claim to truth.
He will have the upper hand because his conscience has been informed and it is clear. God's law precedes the laws of men. Not even the Pope can undo the faith. It is the traditional Catholic faith that precedes everything else. Somerville has it, most highly placed ecclesiastics do not, having been placed there precisely to screen-out traditional Catholicism everywhere.
This is the totally brain-dead attitude of the SSPX. And it has rubbed off on many traditionalists inside the Church as well. They go in to chancery offices with belligerence and anger, then scratch their heads, wondering why the bishop won't yield to their demands.
As long as they preserve the faith and the Mass of the perennial magisterium rather than destroy it or change it, they have no fear of becoming the next "Old Catholic sect".
You will become the next Old Catholic sect and fade into oblivion. You are not united to the Church through Peter, thus you are outside the Church. Period.
You're going to be up the creek in the next Papacy.
"The SSPX has already lost, it just doesn't realize it yet."
Saying something doesn't make it so. The SSPX is flourishing, having been mightily blessed by the Holy Spirit. It is the Novus Ordo Church that is bogged down in apostasy and corruption.
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