WHO ARE THE KENITES? islamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!

08/05/04

[sirchtruth]

And how satan beguiled or holy seduced and slept with Eve, for the word beguiled in the Greek means to Holy seduce.

Seduce does not only mean: To have sexual relation with. What completely fabricated, heresy of the WOG!

[repub32]

I hate to tell ya my friend but the fruit of the TREE was SATAN learn what the tree means in this scripture it meant ppl.(satan).

[sirchtruth]

IF you dont know what happened in the Garden you will never understand.

That's complete BS! As is repubs32 theory!

Forget all these SYMBOLIC things, and read from a literal standpoint, but the only way to "understand" is to believe on Christ.

No concordance will do you any good without that belief.

[sirchtruth]

why do you think Cain rises up and kills???

The bible does NOT say why!!!! Jealousy is just as valid theory as any.

Adam and Eve both had the capacity to sin BEFORE satan came along...Stop your destructive theorizing, or go to a forum where at least those who discuss these things understand what you are trying to contrive!!!

[William Terrell]

Well, you know, it is kind of hard to take the Garden of Eden passages literally. So much of the story is missing. There is no detail, and there are a lot of unanswered questions.

[Talking_Mouse]

Thank you. That was exactly what I thought when I read the headline.

[repub32]

So your your telling me to just believe in christ without learning the interpretation of his words and there meanings do you actually think the word of GOD was that simple. GOD does'nt want you to just believe in him but to also know his word to learn his word to understand the things that are'nt clear. This was one of the biggest reasons CHRIST SPOKE IN PARABLES for only those who would study the word of GOD would have true understanding of what he was sayng. THis is not some book that you can just read and say ok I believe but no need to study it or to learn interpertation of. To say to forget all the symbolic things is quite ignorant. So how exactly did EVE give birth to 2 sons and why did Cain have no grace or sympathy at all from Christ???? why was Cain not allowed to repent and receive grace from GOD he was the blood of SATAN and there would never be grace for him,ever. THis is why so many will spiritually die in the end times 2/3 will be lead away to their spirtual deaths because they are waxed cold and the great famine(which is not knowing the WORD of GOD in the END not not having food to eat,another symbolic interpretation)will deceive them.

[repub32]

GOD knew that CAIN was from SATAN's seed(seed: do you think this is an apple seed????? of course adam and eve had the potential to sin before SATAN came but it was SATAN that lead to sin, do we not all get tempted to sin STAN was the temptation that lead to ADAm and EVE to sin it has to start somewhere the potential for evil and the potential to sin.

[sirchtruth]

Well, you know, it is kind of hard to take the Garden of Eden passages literally.

No, it's not if you believe and trust God.

I use this example often to show people why God knows what he's doing, literally:

Jesus said, "If you tear down this temple I will rebuild it in three days." Everybody laughed at him because they thought he was talking about the actual Jewish temple building.

What should strike eveyone is two things: Jesus was referrng to the temple, his body, and Jesus is God that can do anything.

Now read Jesus' statement again and tell me where is the sybolism and the literal?

[Mamzelle]

Your observations are commonly made. It is the theological question characterized--"Who did Cain marry?"

The others in the story are not mentioned probably because they had no bearing, that is, they were not interesting.

[repub32]

Well of course ALOT IS MISSING this was the point of CHRIST speaking in PARABLES for those willing to learn the WORD of GOD to know the truth and the symbolic meaning and how and in what context they are being used, for ex: TREE's dont always mean TREE"S( look up what the THE GREAT TREE of LEBANON is and you'll see it is SATAN).

[sirchtruth]

So your your telling me to just believe in christ without learning the interpretation of his words and there meanings do you actually think the word of GOD was that simple.

No, I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that you are espousing a position that is not biblical...and at best conjecture...and yes it IS that simple.

You can theorize all you want about passages, but do not pass it off as scriptual. What is happening is when you do this, whether or not you are RIGHT or WRONG takes people who DO NOT KNOW down a path taking away from the ONLY path they should be searching.

You know, in order to grasp the scripture you must believe first, so putting this tripe out just might confuse people about what's important.

THis is not some book that you can just read and say ok I believe

Of course it is! You do not have to understand one thing about God's word to accomplish what God's will intends, and that's the only thing I'm trying point out. Do I think it's important to study and to reproof, without a doubt I do, but not to confuse unbelievers, with the chance of settng their minds aloof.

Look, I'd be the first one to post comments about the goodness of Christ and the Truth on this forum, however I would consider it irresponsible to take conjecture and not pose it as such...that's all I'm saying.

[sirchtruth]

could you note specifically how the blood line of Cain survived the flood and hijacked Noah's blood line?

Good question!

[lupie]

That is exactly my question and rebuttal. No physical descendants of Cain lived. Not only that, but from what little I read, I see that the whole article is based on selective definitions from Strong's.

Here are the entire entries:
07017 Qeyniy {kay-nee'} or Qiyniy (1 Chr 2:55) {kee-nee'} from 07014; TWOT - 2016; adj patr

Kenite = "smiths"
1) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai

Now the root word: 07014 Qayin {kah'-yin} the same as 07013 (with a play upon the affinity to 07069); AV - Cain 17, Kenite 1; 18
n pr m Cain = "possession"
1) eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel

n pr gent Kenite = "smiths"
2) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai

The fact that Moses father-in-law was a Kenite, means that somewhere more than likely, there was another person named Cain who came after the flood.

To me then, the whole premise of the article is biased. It would seem to me to be a variation of James Sire's "Scripture Twisting" of selective citing. Where instead of citing select passage to prove ones point while ignoring the others, it does it with definitions. I've notice this happens quite a bit with heretical teachings based on definitions of Hebrew words. I know the the W-F people do it often.

[William Terrell]

What does believing and trusting God have to do with taking the story literally or symbolically?

For instance, Cain went into the land of Nod and took a wife. If Adam and Eve were the first two humans, Cain and Able were their first and only sons, as a literal interpretation demands, where did Cain's wife come from? If Eve had latter children, among which was Cain's wife, what of incest?

How could Adam and Eve physically hid from God?

I just can't see how all this could be taken literally. When God gave us minds, I believe He meant us to use them.

Now read Jesus' statement again and tell me where is the sybolism and the literal?

We only know that Jesus was talking about His body after the fact. He was talking in symbolism. If you isolate His words and read only that and no farther, from your viewpoint, one would say He was talking about a building, because you would have to interpret what He said literally.

I'm not saying that any particular symbol means any particular thing, as the poster so assigns to them, but neither can you hold with a bare literal reading. There is much symbolism in the Bible, and some parts are entirely symbolism, obviously, so assuming symbolism in this story is by no means improbable.

[lupie]

Doesn't this nonsense come from Mormonism, or is JW? I think the latter.

[William Terrell]

I'm with you about symbolism, old son, but neither you nor I have access to the Urim and Thummim.

[repub32]

YOu have yet to answer me to what your interpretation of what happened in the GARDEN is????? I am a true believer in CHRIST it is absolute to me, I also have a mother who has been a born again for over 20 years and has learned the word of GOD in hebrews and greeks and is no longer a student but a scholar and in no way am I saying that I dont check out what she teaches me for myself in scripture. IT seems so obvious to me what happened in the GARDEN and what seems so ridiculous is that what Most christian/Catholics believe is that EVE ate an APPLE. EVE had sex with SATAN and if you arent learning "The word of GOD" in the hebrews and greeks you are blind and I never said to take what I said as fact all students of "The WORD fo GOD" need to check it out for themselves in light of scripture and also to interpret what they are reading, the context of,the meaning of the words used like TREE'S. WHY did Christ speak in Parables then if it was to be so easy???? "The WORD of GOD and being a christian are just like anything else it is a hard work to follow and a long road to learn it by no means was it meant to be easy just like in the end times it will be very very hard to not follow Antichrist. Yes, anyone can call themseves Chistians and live a good life but it does'nt get you into HEaven. It is the GREAT FAMINE in the end which is NOT KNOWING THE WORD OF GOD that will lead 2/3 to their spirtual deaths the waxing cold of their minds and the chicken in every pot that antichrist promises it is only the elect that will live forever those that know the WORD of GOD and that that thew one that comes after the ANTICHRIST is the true SAVIOR but it is the elect that will have it hard but that is a true believer.

[repub32]

Well, I guess if you believe that ANGELS dont and cant take on human form then I guess you wont believe that SATAN's children his angels were marrying and taking of wives.

[repub32]

Mormonism NO!!!!!!!! I am a christian, someone still has yet to explain to me what they think happened in the GARDEN???????????????? Do you really believe EVE ate an APPLE(which is no where to be found in the "WORD of GOD")and this is how we got sin?????